Round II

[Jelisej]

As for not gaining weight- I would compare this to atkins/paleo diet and lot of weight loss there is because of catecholamine- but lot of people dont tolerate them well and sides like increased blood pressure, sweating etc- actually lot of these affect are similar to those of thyroid hormones so lot of hypothyroid dont realise that they are hypothyroid.
Considering that you are on TRT- pregnenolone is no danger to you, do multiple doses a day (as its half-life is quite sure), it will defintely convert to progesterone hopefully it will overspill bi further- in any case short-term intevention is pretty safe and you can use higher amounts, no problem- start with 200-300 mgs and take it from there. After while if you like effects you can do blood test for PROGESTERONE, and adjust dosage according to that- best is close to upper limit, even if its bit above is not a problem.
Other option is to go natural.
Other thing is you can combine pregnenolone during morning/day and in the evening you can take phosphorylated serine- my mum does this and it works great, it kind-of mimic natural (circadian) rhytm

Some interesting info:
Adrenal Fatigue Chelation livingnetwork.co.za

[Sperwer]

Thanks JMan. I'm off to have blood taken today, so I'll make sure that is on the list. While I'm waiting, i'll wade into the assigned homework


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[Sperwer]

Other option is to go natural.

Not sure what you mean here by going "natural"? Just waiting it out? Apart from my TRT (which is just Testogel and DHEA - although I've been using Dermacrine as the DHEA source, so getting some pregnelone), I haven't taken any hormonals for 4 months now. Apart from mild night sweats when I first fall asleep, thirst and, most of all, the surprising (but not entirely unwelcome) inability to gain weight despite upping calories/carbs since contest prep, I feel pretty good. I wake up more or less refreshed, am energetic all day, even though I'm working out pretty intensely (albeit no cardio right now), and sleep pretty well for an old guy with a leaky bladder. The only things that have really pummeled me were the deads the other day and leg days (heavy squats, leg presses, and hack squats, etc). I guess it's possible that I've got the intensity dialed up so much on those days that it has a dramatically adverse effect on the adrenals (in terms of adrenaline and catecholomine release). The only thing in my experience remotely similar was the physical bonecrusher after combat adrenaline rushes 40+ years ago and, no doubt because of the age difference, those were not as punishing as what I feel these days.

[Sperwer]

Sunday was supposed to be a day off. But because I did no lifting Saturday, and the Sunday rain prevented me from assembling the pergola for our yard I was planning to do, I got bored and went to the gym. Decided to do arms and some delts, to go easy on the CNS, and threw in a few front squats in the interest of prompting leg definition along:

Single Arm DB curls

2 x 20 x 6 (kg)
2 x 20 x 7
2 x 20 x 8
2 x 20 x 9
2 x 20 x 10

Standing Single Arm High Cable Curls (I do singles because lack of left shoulder flexibility disables me from working both arms in the same plane without some serious pain)

2 x 20 x 5 (kg)
2 x 20 x 10
2 x 20 x 15
2 x 20 x 20

Preacher Curls

20 x 12.5 (kg)
20 x 17.5
20 x 22.5
20 x 25.0

Lateral DB Raises

20 x 3s (kg)
20 x 4s
20 x 5s
20 x 6s
20 x 7s
20 x 8s

Cable Tri O/H X

20 x 10 (kg)
20 x 15
20 x 20
20 x 25

Tri Rope P/D

20 x 15 (kg)
20 x 20
20 x 25

Front Squats

20 x 20 (kg)
20 x 40
15 x 60
8 x 80

After I recovered from the last set of squats, I still felt like I had some gas in the tank, but decided to call it quits. Felt good and was able to work on other (head) work for the rest of the day without feeling fatigued.

[Jelisej]

Not sure what you mean here by going "natural"? Just waiting it out? Apart from my TRT (which is just Testogel and DHEA - although I've been using Dermacrine as the DHEA source, so getting some pregnelone), I haven't taken any hormonals for 4 months now. Apart from mild night sweats when I first fall asleep, thirst and, most of all, the surprising (but not entirely unwelcome) inability to gain weight despite upping calories/carbs since contest prep, I feel pretty good. I wake up more or less refreshed, am energetic all day, even though I'm working out pretty intensely (albeit no cardio right now), and sleep pretty well for an old guy with a leaky bladder. The only things that have really pummeled me were the deads the other day and leg days (heavy squats, leg presses, and hack squats, etc). I guess it's possible that I've got the intensity dialed up so much on those days that it has a dramatically adverse effect on the adrenals (in terms of adrenaline and catecholomine release). The only thing in my experience remotely similar was the physical bonecrusher after combat adrenaline rushes 40+ years ago and, no doubt because of the age difference, those were not as punishing as what I feel these days.

By natural I mean taking natural based supplements- you have few words about them in that article.
Deadlift/leg days can be very taxing on body- and that's wath probably happened- and I think is not a bad idea to help it out a bit.
In your case taking pregnenolone is not an issue, altough pregnenolone acts differently for different people- for some it converts only to progestrone in others it chooses different pathway, but you'l figure that out as you do blood test regulary. Pregnenolone dose in Dermacrine is laughable, IMO there should be less DHEA and much more Preg.

[Sperwer]

Got it; just read the referenced material. Thanks again.

[Sperwer]

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After the not-entirely-unexpected delays, gear is due to arrive today - assuming promises are kept and all goes smoothly. In the meantime, I've been thinking about the best treatment schedule for Mr. Rat.

I haven't got a clear idea of how the stuff is dosed yet - I think it may be the orignal Negma protocol of 76mg/1.5ml - but it'll certainly be that or 50mg/ml or 100mg/ml. Anyway, I'm thinking about easing into this at either 100mg or 152 mg the first week (split 2 injections 3 days apart), and then taking it up each week in 50/76 increments until I hit 300/304 in week 3/2, then do a gut check to see how I feel about either cruising at that level or knocking it up a notch for the remainder of a 6 week run or whenever the well runs dry sooner or later.

Plenty of letrozole, raloxin and pharma BP meds on hand. I've gotten my immunization shot, as it were, sometime ago w/ Tren LV, so I have an idea of the sort of stuff to expect and am confident I can keep those sides that are subject to conscious control in check. Since I'm no yogi, I am most concerned about the possible autonomic sides, including possible BP issues, as my "normal" is on the very high side of "normal", giving me less room to maneuver. Also will be continuing my usual TRT @ 700mg testogel/week (effective absorption rate =~100mg/week); systemic T levels now at 8+ on a scale of 2-8.

Suggestions?

[burlyman30]

You won't need to go higher than the 300/304 in my opinion. I think your plan of ramping up slowly is smart, as it allows you to assess BP and other potential symptoms at every level along the way. The stuff is strong. Mg for mg, arguably the most potent steroid available.

At 75-100mg/ week it has been the difference between night and day compared to my TRT without it. I'm getting bloods next week, but I expect all to be in reasonably good order since adding this to my protocol 2 months ago. I will keep you informed on this, as once you go on... you may never want off.

[Sperwer]

Flat Bench Press

20 x 20 (kg)
20 x 40
15 x 60
10 x 80
6 x 90

Incline Bench Press

20 x 40 (kg)
10 x 60
8 x 70
7 x 80

Incline DB Flys

20 x 5s (kg)
17 x 7s
15 x 9s

Dips

20 x (33) (kg)
15 x BW
12 X BW
10 x BW


Cable X

16 x 20 (kg)
15 x 20
20 x 20

[Sperwer]

Felt and looked so poorly on Wednesday that, after nevertheless pushing myself into the gym, my coach sent me home with the admonition to get some more rest. Too much "night work" the night before, I guess

Returned Thursday for the following:

Seated O/H Smith Presses

20 x 20 (kg)
20 x 30
20 x 35
20 x 40
15 x 45
10 x 50
10 x 55
8 x 60


Seated O/H Machine Presses

20 x 20 (kg)
20 x 32
15 x 39
12 x 46

Lateral DB Raises (seated)

20 x 4s (kg)
20 x 5s
15 x 6s
12 x 7s

Cable Short EZ Bar Front Raises

20 x 10 (kg)
20 x 15
15 x 20
15 x 25

Shrugs

20 x 80 (kg)
20 x 100
15 x 120
15 x 120

starting to get some pronounced shoulder vascularity that hangs around even after the pump is gone, as well as dramatically improved separation and definition

I think that after three weeks my metabolism is finally slowing down a bit from the contest prep and post contest period, as evidenced by the fact that last night was the first that I haven't sweat soaked the sheets in about three months. Just in time for it to get ramped up again, now as I start the hardcore sprint, and restart carb and calorie restriction and daily cardio, to the next contest, June 30th.