super dmz 2.0?

[weakling]

Sorry somehow I did not see this question, I think we were posting at the same time...

Everyone used advanced liver supports, such as IML's version, tudca or some others...

With Liver Supports, I truly only saw 2 peoples BW and they weren't bad at all..certainly some elevations but nothing worse then any other oral.

If you were to run unprotected, I would imagine it would be pretty stressful to your body.

Again, it was dosed at 2 pills per day, so 20/20 for a 30 day cycle. Some guys went up to 30/30 (3 pills)

I did 2 weeks at 40/40 but the back pumps, and heartburn were brutal at that dosage, it also caused some nose bleeds since it jacked my BP up too high...2 pills is ideal IMO. 1 in the am with food, 1 in the afternoon with food..Extra water and solid liver support.

I also have 2 clients that ran it at 1 pill per day and were very happy with a smaller result, but no sides to speak of.

Thanks for the info. I've used PN in the past and enjoyed a few of the products I used. I'm going to give PNs version a shot for 4 weeks and see how it goes. Only serm I've ever used is torem. What serm are you recommending your clients?

[machdaddy]

On my shortened DMZ 2.0 earlier this year I had the heartburn Wesley spoke of and elevated BP. Cycle Assist, multivites, and fish oil for support. I used clomid 50 mg ed for PCT. I'm running it now at 2 caps(1 week in) and it is starting to "kick in".

[O_RYAN_007]

On my shortened DMZ 2.0 earlier this year I had the heartburn Wesley spoke of and elevated BP. Cycle Assist, multivites, and fish oil for support. I used clomid 50 mg ed for PCT. I'm running it now at 2 caps(1 week in) and it is starting to "kick in".

Good feedback for the group.

[SoCal-Nutrition]

we still have some IronFlex Sten-Zine on clearance. this batch is 5mg of M-Sten and 10mg of DMZ...this seems to be the right ratio in my book.

Sten-Zine

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

we still have some IronFlex Sten-Zine on clearance. this batch is 5mg of M-Sten and 10mg of DMZ...this seems to be the right ratio in my book.

Sten-Zine

Agreed, I would feel comfortable running something like that at 2-3 a day with TUDCA.

[WesleyInman]

Thanks for the info. I've used PN in the past and enjoyed a few of the products I used. I'm going to give PNs version a shot for 4 weeks and see how it goes. Only serm I've ever used is torem. What serm are you recommending your clients?

Awesome, great to hear Most people use clomid/hcg/nolva type basic PCT's....I do have some people that have used IML versions like Ultra Male RX/combined with E Control RX 2.0 and they have been successful...My store retails for IML/BL so alot of their products are used by my clients/friends. I personally have not run the OTC PCT's but alot of people I train use them and say they work just fine.

[weakling]

Awesome, great to hear Most people use clomid/hcg/nolva type basic PCT's....I do have some people that have used IML versions like Ultra Male RX/combined with E Control RX 2.0 and they have been successful...My store retails for IML/BL so alot of their products are used by my clients/friends. I personally have not run the OTC PCT's but alot of people I train use them and say they work just fine.

Sounds good. I just ordered Clomid and Nolva

Once I get all my supports and serms in hand I will get my plan together.

My list:

Cycle PH:
PN-Pro Gear wk 3-6

Cycle supports:
Talos wk 1-6
Aegis wk 3-11
Achilles wk 3-6 or as needed

PCT:
Nolva wk 7-11
Clomid wk 7-11
Erase wk 9-11
Sustain Alpha wk hmmmm

Daily supplements that I will continue through out:
PN mega fish oil
Orange Triad
CSN Protein
ZMA
Glycomaize


Will probably start in 2 weeks

[weakling]

I also have a bottle of cycle assist that I might start now as my biggest concern is liver toxicity with this double whammy PH