Banned?! NOT In America! What it is, and what it does(to you)!

[Cdsnuts]

i completely understand and agree, but i guess the nature of my questioning is: should those ingredients be banned or not? if they are to be banned, who'll do the banning?

IMO, they should be banned. There are alot of reasons I believe this, but the number one reason is simply for morality, and the fact that it's just straight chemical poison. People believe that these government agencies are protecting them, when in reality, it's far from the truth. They are supposed to be protecting them, but we all know that you have to follow the money.

That means you have millions upon millions of unsuspecting people who are unknowingly poisoning themselves because they think if it's in what they're eating, it must be okay. That to me, is just not okay at all.

[Grape Ape]

i completely understand and agree, but i guess the nature of my questioning is: should those ingredients be banned or not? if they are to be banned, who'll do the banning?

They for sure should be banned, but It's obvious that only the US government can do it, and it won't be anytime soon.

A nationwide boycott, and some PSA commercials would have to happen for some change without government regulation. That'll never happen though.

[longBallLima]

IMO, they should be banned. There are alot of reasons I believe this, but the number one reason is simply for morality, and the fact that it's just straight chemical poison. People believe that these government agencies are protecting them, when in reality, it's far from the truth. They are supposed to be protecting them, but we all know that you have to follow the money.

That means you have millions upon millions of unsuspecting people who are unknowingly poisoning themselves because they think if it's in what they're eating, it must be okay. That to me, is just not okay at all.

i agree with this. i dont have a problem with govt regulation and i really think it should be more present, done more efficiently and without financial interfering, but it seems the newest american zeitgest is "government, get out of our lives!! unless it's to do something i kinda agree with... but other than that, stop taking away our freedoms!!"

getting such a large portion of the public believing that is a majestic job by the lobbying rats in dc, i tell ya.

They for sure should be banned, but It's obvious that only the US government can do it, and it won't be anytime soon.

A nationwide boycott, and some PSA commercials would have to happen for some change without government regulation. That'll never happen though.

agreed with bold.

[Cdsnuts]

i agree with this. i dont have a problem with govt regulation and i really think it should be more present, done more efficiently and without financial interfering, but it seems the newest american zeitgest is "government, get out of our lives!! unless it's to do something i kinda agree with... but other than that, stop taking away our freedoms!!"

Nothing new about that "zeitgest." At least the first part anyway. Obviously government is necessary. Just not an over regulated hand holding socialist nanny state where you can't shit without someone telling you how many sheets of toilet paper to whipe your ass with. Asking a regulatory agency to simply do it's job would suffice. Keeping untested and un-researched poisons out of our food doesn't seem like asking too much.

[longBallLima]

Nothing new about that "zeitgest." At least the first part anyway. Obviously government is necessary. Just not an over regulated hand holding socialist nanny state where you can't shit without someone telling you how many sheets of toilet paper to whipe your ass with. Asking a regulatory agency to simply do it's job would suffice. Keeping untested and un-researched poisons out of our food doesn't seem like asking too much.

right, i guess i just dont know which big industry here is over regulated, therefore, no idea where the fear of over regulation comes from.

[Cdsnuts]

right, i guess i just dont know which big industry here is over regulated, therefore, no idea where the fear of over regulation comes from.

When mayor Bloomberg in NYC tried to limit the size of soda you can buy because he thought people were too fat (and they are), that's over regulation. It may come from a geniune concern, but it's not the governments place to tell me how much soda I can buy and drink. Just one example.

The fear comes from not wanting to be over regulated.

[longBallLima]

When mayor Bloomberg in NYC tried to limit the size of soda you can buy because he thought people were too fat (and they are), that's over regulation. It may come from a geniune concern, but it's not the governments place to tell me how much soda I can buy and drink. Just one example.

The fear comes from not wanting to be over regulated.

having an obese population causes a series of health concerns, which seems to be the problem with the ingredient list we're discussing here, so what's the difference?

[Cdsnuts]

having an obese population causes a series of health concerns, which seems to be the problem with the ingredient list we're discussing here, so what's the difference?

Seriously?

The difference is personal choice.

That list is a series of chemicals that has no right to be included in the food supply. Most people are unaware of the dangers of such additives because they assume it's safe. They assume that because the regulatory agencies that are supposed to be watch dogs for this type of thing are asleep at the wheel. Corrupt. Politically and monetarily motivated, etc.

Everyone and their mother knows that if you drink gallons of soda everyday you're gonna turn into a fatass with diabetes. That doesn't mean I need big brother to watch me and tell me I can't buy two gallons of soda when I'm out to eat. If I choose to do that and I know the consequences of my actions, then that's on me.

People don't know the consequences of consuming these chemicals. They don't even know there are consequences for consuming them.

That my friend, is a BIG difference.

[Macdon1588]

So, the government does nothing about the banned floods, it just kills the food pyramid thing? That's be the ideal solution for you?

My post is unclear. I mean the government won't educate us about proper diet because it is against the special interest groups interest. The government isn't going to rescue us, just ask all those folks too weak and stupid to escape Katrina. They were sure the government was going to take care of them. We see how that worked out for them. This catastrophe is no different.

[Bucks]

Seems like they are busy busy busy these days!


U.S. Moves to Seize Dietary Supplement From GNC Warehouses

By NATASHA SINGER and PETER LATTMAN



Federal prosecutors have asked judges in two states to authorize the seizure of more than 3,200 cases of controversial workout products from warehouses operated by GNC, the nation?s largest specialty retailer of dietary supplements.



William P. O'Donnell/The New York Times



With names like Jack3d and OxyElitePro, the workout products contain a stimulant called dimethylamylamine, or DMAA for short. In April, the Food and Drug Administration warned consumers that DMAA was an illegal dietary ingredient and that products containing the stimulant could elevate blood pressure, potentially leading to heart attacks.



After the agency?s warning, USPlabs, the maker of Jack3d and OxyElite Pro, said the company for business reasons had decided to stop making DMAA products. Some leading retailers withdrew their remaining stocks of DMAA products from store shelves, but GNC continued to sell its inventory.



Greg Miller, a spokesman for GNC, said in an e-mail on Friday that the company believed DMAA to be a ?safe, legal dietary ingredient.?



But in a challenge to GNC, the Justice Department, acting at the behest of the F.D.A., requested court-ordered seizures this week of both Jack3d and OxyElitePro from GNC warehouses in Leetsdale, Pa., and Anderson, S.C.



According to a complaint filed in Federal District Court in Pittsburgh, the F.D.A. conducted an inspection of the GNC warehouse in Leetsdale this month and collected physical samples, photographed the products and seized shipping records. After the inspection, F.D.A. officials notified GNC that the products were adulterated and being illegally held by the company. On June 11, the F.D.A. ordered GNC to detain the products.



Federal prosecutors filed a similar complaint on Tuesday in Federal District Court in Anderson, S.C., seeking a seizure of the same products at a GNC facility there.



Because the dietary supplement industry tends to voluntarily heed F.D.A. public advisories, the agency rarely feels compelled to take the aggressive tack of seizing products.



Shelly L. Burgess, an F.D.A. spokeswoman, said the agency would not comment.



Mr. Miller, the GNC spokesman, said the company would not distribute the products at its Leetsdale warehouse until the issue with the F.D.A. had been resolved. But, he said, ?GNC will continue to sell through its remaining inventory of the products in its stores.?



Mr. Miller added that it was unclear to the company why the F.D.A. had initiated the seizure request, given that DMAA-containing products were no longer being made and that distributors other than GNC also had inventories of the products.



?Given this situation,? Mr. Miller wrote in his e-mail, ?it is hard to view this action as anything other than a biased agency action against GNC in retaliation for GNC?s stance on DMAA.?



Since early 2008, the F.D.A. has received reports of at least 86 health problems, including at least five deaths, in consumers who used DMAA products. Although such reports do not prove that the stimulant directly caused health problems, agency officials have warned people not to consume the ingredient.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/bu...ses.html?_r=1&