Banned?! NOT In America! What it is, and what it does(to you)!

[longBallLima]

The "blame Bush game" is a worn out game, but it is an excellent example of my point. People blame Bush for a variety of things. Some of which I agree with such as the war in Iraq is unjustified. However, the most damaging things to this country started long before Bush.

When you study the housing crisis in depth for example, you'll find that the banks that caused the crisis where empowered to do so in the Clinton administration by a BIPARTISAN effort that overturned bank regulation that had been in place since the Great Depression. It was sold to the American public by telling people that every American deserved to own their own home. Remember how awesome that sounded? There was also Free Trade which has pitted American Labor against the slave labor of the third world. I don't have time to go into that.

The current administration has merely expanded upon all of initiatives of the previous one. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but from bailing out the mega banks to continuing the war, the circus has remained the same only the clowns have changed. If you doubt me, just read up on the NSA program. It is an Obama expansion of a Bush patriot program put in place because the sheep in this country BEGGED for more false security from the boogie man of terrorism. That terrorism that is most likely caused by our continual forays into shitty foreign policy that is in practice little more than corporate colonialism. (See Halliburton areas of operation and you'll see what I mean.)

oh, i dont disagree that the current administration is very similar to the previous one. like i said, i find it very disappointing. i also don't think everything wrong now is bush's fault, but i can't agree that bush has no blame and that the impact of his "missteps" will be felt for a long time. i feel he is mostly responsible for the current anti-american feeling that takes place throughout the world.

on the "unjustified" iraq war: if a nation with a history of conflict, let's say, congo attacks another nation with a history of conflict, let's say angola, using as justification that angola has WMDs and during the war goes "oops, sorry guys, my bad, but hey, we didnt like the angolan leader anyway cuz we kinda thought he was a dictator", the congolese president and members of his administration would be promptly tried as war criminals. now add to all that, that the US is a UN member and can't go to war without UN approval.

bush literally escaped the hangman because of american power and the UN's cowardice to bring illegal war charges against bush, cheney, rumsfeld, rove and a number of the rats in that administration.

[longBallLima]

Not might...were going to disagree here.

Some things are more harmful then others, period. When you look at that list and the effects of those chemicals and think that's okay to include in the food chain.....well to each their own I guess. To me it's crazy.

What you're in favor of is a slippery slope. First it starts off with telling us how much soda we can buy, and next it's how many kids we can have and how many nights a week we can bang our wives. It starts off small and grows......if they can tell us how much soda to buy, where does the line get drawn?

Slippery slope.

disagree with bold. there is a number of things that are prohibited despite opinion and we haven't slipped into a police state because of it.

gays not being allowed to marry and pot and lsd being made illegal didn't turn into men in black coming into my house to check whether im banging my wife or not.

to me, the slippery slope lies into how complacent society is to things like the NSA bit. all the effort put into finding the leaker rather than being liable for the illegal invasion of privacy.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

The "blame Bush game" is a worn out game...

Oooh, can I play? STOPLOSS, that terrible movie with Ryan Phillipe would've never come out if not for the Iraq war and the wonderful personnel decisions it inspired.

[Macdon1588]

oh, i dont disagree that the current administration is very similar to the previous one. like i said, i find it very disappointing. i also don't think everything wrong now is bush's fault, but i can't agree that bush has no blame and that the impact of his "missteps" will be felt for a long time. i feel he is mostly responsible for the current anti-american feeling that takes place throughout the world.

on the "unjustified" iraq war: if a nation with a history of conflict, let's say, congo attacks another nation with a history of conflict, let's say angola, using as justification that angola has WMDs and during the war goes "oops, sorry guys, my bad, but hey, we didnt like the angolan leader anyway cuz we kinda thought he was a dictator", the congolese president and members of his administration would be promptly tried as war criminals. now add to all that, that the US is a UN member and can't go to war without UN approval.

bush literally escaped the hangman because of american power and the UN's cowardice to bring illegal war charges against bush, cheney, rumsfeld, rove and a number of the rats in that administration.

So then, shouldn't those same charges be brought against the current president by the U.N. as he has continued the same wars through two terms? Before we carry on in this never ending argument, my point is our government is complete and total shit right now. I know I throw away my vote away in a state as red as Oklahoma, but I vote vote for libertarian candidates and against incumbents. I would get more use out of my ballet if I wiped my ass with it instead, but the idea of voting for either the embodiment of failed neo-conservatism, or a socialist pseudo-intellectual makes me want to fucking expatriate.

[longBallLima]

So then, shouldn't those same charges be brought against the current president by the U.N. as he has continued the same wars through two terms? Before we carry on in this never ending argument, my point is our government is complete and total shit right now. I know I throw away my vote away in a state as red as Oklahoma, but I vote vote for libertarian candidates and against incumbents. I would get more use out of my ballet if I wiped my ass with it instead, but the idea of voting for either the embodiment of failed neo-conservatism, or a socialist pseudo-intellectual makes me want to fucking expatriate.

yes, i agree the current administration would have implications as well, although on a lesser degree, since it was dealt an ongoing conflict and it had less options than the previous one when it comes to avoiding the conflict in the 1st place.

and as far as the govt being shit, i believe you're right. i just happen to think it's the result of shitty situations, be it set by predecessors or external forces, to begin with, incompetence/unwillingness by the executive power (namely Obama) and the most divided congress mostly due to republican butt hurt and overall sore losing

when you talk about expatriating, and i dont mean to sound patronizing here, this is a legitimate question. have you lived anywhere else other than the US? by american standards, seems most places i've had experiences with are pretty much stalinist.

[Cdsnuts]

seems most places i've had experiences with are pretty much stalinist.

Yea....they tell you how much soda you're allowed to drink.

[Cdsnuts]

disagree with bold. there is a number of things that are prohibited despite opinion and we haven't slipped into a police state because of it.

gays not being allowed to marry and pot and lsd being made illegal didn't turn into men in black coming into my house to check whether im banging my wife or not.

to me, the slippery slope lies into how complacent society is to things like the NSA bit. all the effort put into finding the leaker rather than being liable for the illegal invasion of privacy.

So you're comparing LSD, Pot and gay marriage to allowable soda consumption? Interesting. Doesn't even seem comparable to me. You're really reachin there.

It's soda dude. Really. You don't see how ridiculous and over-reaching that is?

[longBallLima]

Yea....they tell you how much soda you can drink.

most developed nations just tax it. and they regulate health and have a healthier population. and they regulate banking and have a better distribution of wealth than in the US. and they regulate guns and don't have as much gun violence. and they regulate speech and have less violence against minorities... and so on and so forth...

a good portion of the developed world thinks its democratic, but radicals in the US will tell 'em they have no clue what they're talking about. freedom is drinking as much soda as you can and going bankrupt if someone in your family gets seriously ill, while the NSA monitors your steps. as much as there are great things here, there is much the US and its "intellectual" citizens could learn from a few other places around the globe.

[Macdon1588]

yes, i agree the current administration would have implications as well, although on a lesser degree, since it was dealt an ongoing conflict and it had less options than the previous one when it comes to avoiding the conflict in the 1st place.

and as far as the govt being shit, i believe you're right. i just happen to think it's the result of shitty situations, be it set by predecessors or external forces, to begin with, incompetence/unwillingness by the executive power (namely Obama) and the most divided congress mostly due to republican butt hurt and overall sore losing

when you talk about expatriating, and i dont mean to sound patronizing here, this is a legitimate question. have you lived anywhere else other than the US? by american standards, seems most places i've had experiences with are pretty much stalinist.

It's a good question, I have no idea. I've been in different places in the world. Switzerland looks pretty appealing. But ya, hard to say. I have high hopes the libertarians can steal the Republican Party. A socially liberal domestic policy coupled non aggressive foreign policy and a pragmatic economical philosophy is what this candidate. Then I wouldn't have to find a new country;-).

[longBallLima]

So you're comparing LSD, Pot and gay marriage to allowable soda consumption? Interesting. Doesn't even seem comparable to me. You're really reachin there.

It's soda dude. Really. You don't see how ridiculous and over-reaching that is?

im reaching? i said in my opinion, i'd tax soda (and unhealthy foods in general if you ask me) in favor of small farmers, if you think that is unthinkable and a reach, that's your problem.

you're the one who said one piece of regulation in soda is a slippery slope to a police state. that seems incredibly exaggerated. slippery slope is actually the name of an informal logical fallacy for when such ridiculous statements are made.

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It's a good question, I have no idea. I've been in different places in the world. Switzerland looks pretty appealing. But ya, hard to say. I have high hopes the libertarians can steal the Republican Party. A socially liberal domestic policy coupled non aggressive foreign policy and a pragmatic economical philosophy is what this candidate.

i can respect that. my main point of contention of most libertarians is how unregulated most seem to want the markets, but hey, to each his own.