An Unofficial Stupid Question Thread

[Macdon1588]

So, Tren Ace seems pretty popular. Are guys just making it themselves or using labs? Seems like a fairly straight forward brew. I like the idea of making my shit as I can guarantee that it's clean.

[weekend]

guys are mostly using labs, i would assume...

[h2s]

Yep labs, but these days I am very picky in who I will use. When you hit a good chef you realize what shit you have used before.

[Jelisej]

http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/161440_1.pdf

STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University, Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using SC therapy.

Patients and Methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism. Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks. Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected.

Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.

Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.

[Macdon1588]

So, could a guy run 12 weeks of test e without HCG provided his pct was strong enough?

[burlyman30]

So, could a guy run 12 weeks of test e without HCG provided his pct was strong enough?

Yep, but it just makes recovery slower/harder and the possibility of a lower natural T level after the cycle is possible if some damage is done to the leydig cells during the cycle.

[Macdon1588]

http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/161440_1.pdf

STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University, Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using SC therapy.

Patients and Methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism. Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks. Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected.

Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.

Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.

So this seems to indicate sc injections are better. I'd like to see a log of this. Or hell. When I've shed enough fat, I'll run it like this. Just kinda curious what a run would look like doing this.

[milehighguy]

So this seems to indicate sc injections are better. I'd like to see a log of this. Or hell. When I've shed enough fat, I'll run it like this. Just kinda curious what a run would look like doing this.

Would love to see such a log!

[burlyman30]

So this seems to indicate sc injections are better. I'd like to see a log of this. Or hell. When I've shed enough fat, I'll run it like this. Just kinda curious what a run would look like doing this.

Would love to see such a log!

I've been doing my TRT with SC from the beginning. It's all in my TRT log. Smooth as silk, seems to slow the release by about an extra day. I do 2x a week for rock steady levels.

[milehighguy]

I've been doing my TRT with SC from the beginning. It's all in my TRT log. Smooth as silk, seems to slow the release by about an extra day. I do 2x a week for rock steady levels.

Good to know! I have some catch up reading to do.