"sigh"...here we go again

[DJM]

i was talking to a farmacologist and he said that caber might not be needed because caber acts agains prolactin, not progestins

??????

[O_RYAN_007]

So do most tren users take caber?

[olddawg]

I think whether they do and whether it's necessary are to different things

[O_RYAN_007]

I think whether they do and whether it's necessary are to different things

What's your take/exp with caber usage?

[olddawg]

I tried it in desperation a few months ago and ended up dropping the tren to get the gyno to subside. I'm pretty sure the serm will work as I know someone who says they use nolva all the time and it takes the gyno straight away. Never believed him before lol, but will be giving it a shot shortly. just started tren again and have caber on hand but not taking it

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desperation after going through 2 bunk batches of letro

[burlyman30]

Trenbolone is not as gyno producing on me as trenazone was. 3 weeks into a cycle I was suffering... using ralox and letro, I was able to keep it from worsening, but I couldn't get it to improve until after the cycle. Ralox studies show it about doubly effective in comparison to tamoxifen.

[O_RYAN_007]

Trenbolone is not as gyno producing on me as trenazone was. 3 weeks into a cycle I was suffering... using ralox and letro, I was able to keep it from worsening, but I couldn't get it to improve until after the cycle. Ralox studies show it about doubly effective in comparison to tamoxifen.

I'm thinking about 350 tren/250 test weekly, AHV1 (or something similar), aromosin, and ralox for the next run. I'll have letro on hand, but just debating weather or not to use or obtain caber.

I only have 1 bottle of AHv1 though.

[burlyman30]

I'm thinking about 350 tren/250 test weekly, AHV1 (or something similar), aromosin, and ralox for the next run. I'll have letro on hand, but just debating weather or not to use or obtain caber.

I only have 1 bottle of AHv1 though.

Skip the caber. You only need to control estrogen and its effects. The more tren you use and the more estrogen sensitive you are will determine the possibility and severity of gyno, if any. Which brings me to the point of dosage... why not start at 200/wk tren and see how it treats you. You can always move up in dose. It's still effective at 200, trust me. Even at 100, believe it or not.

[PolimarT]

Skip the caber. You only need to control estrogen and its effects. The more tren you use and the more estrogen sensitive you are will determine the possibility and severity of gyno, if any. Which brings me to the point of dosage... why not start at 200/wk tren and see how it treats you. You can always move up in dose. It's still effective at 200, trust me. Even at 100, believe it or not.

x 2, do not take caber, i only considered slightly and i was not sure, but after everything i read i think you better not use it, also that thing is nasty for your heart and trenbolone will be stressing your whole system, caber might only have positive great effects on mood, but if you are man enough to take tren then you should be man enough to face the devil.

bottom line: caber can help to fight gyno but just because it lowers prolactine, but you can reduce prolactine with other methods.

you better keep your AI of choice or a SERM if required.

[Infamy]

Skip the caber. You only need to control estrogen and its effects. The more tren you use and the more estrogen sensitive you are will determine the possibility and severity of gyno, if any. Which brings me to the point of dosage... why not start at 200/wk tren and see how it treats you. You can always move up in dose. It's still effective at 200, trust me. Even at 100, believe it or not.

Completely agree about the dosage part. Assuming you have legit tren, then I don't notice much difference between 200mg a week if tren e and 350mg a week other than the sides are worse at the higher dose and bp can get really high unless you have no meds on hand.

Don't forget that you only have so many androgen receptors and if the hormone is strong enough, like tren, you can saturate them at a low dose so anything more is just a waste and makes for an unpleasant cycle.