Medical Help Needed for My Father's Patient

[nate3993]

So my dad has a patient whose in his 30's and was on deca for a year. And his teste's shrunk, surprise surprise, and started using hcg as a means to get his balls working again. Obviously this person knew not of what they were doing. My dad prescribed him clomid, and actually asked me if I thought there was anything else he should do. I recommend aromasin since the clomid may very well get his levels high again, but as we all know, boost your test high enough, even naturally and you're gonna have a large amount of estrogen because of aromatase. This is new territory for my father. He generally doesn't deal with people who have been on and never cycled properly. He just does standard trt protocol.

What all do you guys think I should recommend? Thanks

[milehighguy]

Deca for a full year.....probably happens more then you think.

If the HCG didn't work clomid would have been my next pick. Plus maybe some natty supps.

[olddawg]

obviously jj or infamy would be invaluable to chime in here, i'd guess he'd want him in for bloods more often, idunno, maybe 2 weeks in to check on estrogen and adjust the aromasin, then at the end of the clomid, then again later while natty, say 6 weeks after being off. he'll likely want clomid for 6 weeks no? I have no business answering here but you know me well enough I think to take my advice all the right way. --loosely lol

[nate3993]

Deca for a full year.....probably happens more then you think.

If the HCG didn't work clomid would have been my next pick. Plus maybe some natty supps.

MHG. come on. HCG is NOT a pct drug. this has been discussed over and over. HCG has 2 applications. 1-to keep the leydig cells still active ON cycle and 2-to be taken while on TRT, and again for the leydig cells and fertility, but HCG is most certainly not a pct drug.

[milehighguy]

So tell me what is PCT for a years worth of DECA?

I know what HCG does. But thanks for the reminder.

[nate3993]

So tell me what is PCT for a years worth of DECA?

I know what HCG does. But thanks for the reminder.

sorry if my last post came off as hostile. i apologize for that. to my knowledge, a serm and an AI, such as exem would be good. Maybe hcg is needed and I'm looking at this incorrectly. since his testes haven't had leydig cells for a while, then hcg may actually be good.

[nate3993]

sorry for being condescending i should've said.

[milehighguy]

All good. I'm right in the same boat with my response.

AI with clomid does make sense.

[Grape Ape]

HCG is used for a matter of weeks before a serm durring most HPTA restarts. Usually in high doses.

My opinion; Time off will be his best bet, and there's no rushing that.

[olddawg]

^^this on the hcg, use prior. I've never heard of anything that works well other than what you are saying Nate, only thing is to do it for a longer period of time for hard shutdowns like tren or something like this. Hope the guy is young enough for it to work.