Trenbolone: the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[PolimarT]

Good thread Burly. Personally tren is my favourite and if you can run it properly then you probably won't want to do a cycle without it.

Some things I've noticed through trial and error of years of tren use which may be useful:

1. Without some test, you will look lean and ripped (diet and cardio affect to how ripped you get) but you probably will think your muscles look flat. I use no more than 250mg test cyp or test e every 2 weeks. Tren and test don't mix well together as you will see from my later comments. It's no surprise to me that those guys that use 250mg a week or more of test seem to have the worst sides. But a small amount of test will have a great synergistic effect. When I want to really rip up I stop the test.

2. Estrogen. This is a big problem on tren. Whilst there seems to be no mechanism for tren to convert to estrogen nevertheless studies have shown tren solo raises estrogen level in cattle. Use too much test as well with your tren and you will regret it. Personally I think many of trens negative sides are related to high estrogen eg night sweats, irritability, gyno etc. I've found that using very low test plus at least 1mg anastrazole a day plus 120mg plus of raloxifene a day help combat these issues. The ralox is for the gyno (see point 3). Use 500mg of test with your tren and you'll probably find it doesn't matter what you do you will get the side effect and you can't stop them so I can't emphasise enough to keep test low. After all if you are injecting the most powerful steroid widely available then why create competition for your androgen receptors with a weaker steroid like test?

3. Gyno. If you use tren be prepared for gyno. Unless you are very very lucky, this will happen. Expect it and prepare for it. This is why you need the ai and raloxifene from day 1 mentioned in 2 above. Have letro on hand because you may need it. Don't start you tren cycle without these ancillaries. Even taking these precautions it doesn't stop tren from happening sometimes. Interestingly I have recently found that Winstrol really helps combat gyno on tren. Unfortunately if you are doing a long tren run then you can't use Winstrol all cycle.

4. Tren definitely increases some muscle groups at the expense of others regardless of your training. In particular it increase back and lat size at the expense of pecs. There is a reason why most pros have huge backs and tren is that reason. I don't know of another steroid that does anything like that.

5. You don't need much tren. I have had some real nice results from just 50mg of tren e a week. You don't need to go straight in at 400+ mg a week for your first tren cycle so if you want to dip your toe just try 50-100mg a week. You will be surprised with how nice the results are for such a low dose. I shot the 50mg once a week and it still worked well so the 5 days between injects is bs in my opinion.

6. Liver. I ALWAYS get raised liver enzymes from tren. I'm not the only one either so don't be stupid and use high tren dose for long periods without a break or you will end up yellow and in the Er. This is strangely something which isn't well reported so always keep a check on your bloods on tren. You can use all the udca or Tudca you want but it won't stop it stressing your liver in the long run.

7. Tren ace. For the more advanced user a good way to use tren is use say 200mg of tren e a week to give a tren long lasting base and the use say 50mg a day of tren ace. Beware for those that haven't done ed injections it gets real old real quickly and you have to be good at remembering where you injected 5 days ago in order to avoid hitting the same spot too often and getting scar tissue. The tren ace in this cycle gives an immediate kick and works great just before a workout. If you can't commit to ed injections though then forget tren ace as it should be shot ed.

8. Water. Tren is metabolised partly by the kidneys so you need to up your water intake dramatically to try to avoid kidney problem. stand at the tap and force yourself to down a few pints after getting up and regularly throughout the day. You'll notice that if you don't your urine becomes very very dark. Some of this discoloration is down to the tren being excreted but bear in mind that as your kidneys are removing more crap from your blood you need to keep your water levels up or kidney stones and kidney stress may occur as the urine has more crap in it per ml than it does when not on tren.

9. Winstrol and masteron. I've mentioned Winstrol before in relation to gyno but it also has a fantastic effect on your look. If you can't get ripped and a 6 pack on tren, Winstrol and masteron (my favourite stack) then give up because you never will.

10. Blood pressure. This, for me anyway, is completely dependant on diet and cardio. I used to use bp meds on tren but I found that by doing 25 mins of hiit a day plus keeping salt intake down, my blood pressure normalised itself and I now no longer need Bp meds on tren as I can keep below 120/80 without any trouble. If you have that bag of salty potato chips you will notice a bp spike in 10 minutes though!

This post is amazing! thanks for all this info, i never ever consider winstrol before but i will look into it, after reading this post I will definately use 50 mgs of tren ED even if I hate needles. now the fact that you advice that test as low as 125 or less to get shredded makes me wonder.... unfortuantely I could not cut my pharma grade test in half as I dont have sterile vials available and my test comes in single vials of 250 mgs each, but I will try to get them, I thought that test at 250 would provide leaning benefits that would be much more reinforced with tren.

my original plan looks like this:

test E 250 mgs week 1 to 16
tren A week 3 to 12 (probably till week 14)
mast week 10 to 17
11-oxo kicker/low recommended dose (week 1 to 6)

and possibly var from week 13 to 18 (while tst clearance)

now my question would be, do you recommend using tren (as i planed) in the beginning ? or should i swap the tren and mast using mast at the beginning and finish the cycle with tren? (If I swap them and I use var, i would also use var as a kicker and finish with 11-oxo)

*I decided to include 11-oxo as it is mild

I will also keep the var at no more than 30 mgs

[weekend]

This post is amazing! thanks for all this info, i never ever consider winstrol before but i will look into it, after reading this post I will definately use 50 mgs of tren ED even if I hate needles. now the fact that you advice that test as low as 125 or less to get shredded makes me wonder.... unfortuantely I could not cut my pharma grade test in half as I dont have sterile vials available and my test comes in single vials of 250 mgs each, but I will try to get them, I thought that test at 250 would provide leaning benefits that would be much more reinforced with tren.

my original plan looks like this:

test E 250 mgs week 1 to 16
tren A week 3 to 12 (probably till week 14)
mast week 10 to 17
11-oxo kicker/low recommended dose (week 1 to 6)

and possibly var from week 13 to 18 (while tst clearance)

now my question would be, do you recommend using tren (as i planed) in the beginning ? or should i swap the tren and mast using mast at the beginning and finish the cycle with tren? (If I swap them and I use var, i would also use var as a kicker and finish with 11-oxo)

*I decided to include 11-oxo as it is mild

I will also keep the var at no more than 30 mgs

well dosed var is amazing.. if you really get it free as you say i would run as much as possible! def better than 11-keto

and you will be better off running the tren first. good call overlapping the mast too, but if you have the funds i would consider run mast at a lower dose for the beginning as well, or just begin using it right away if you have any nip sensitivity.

[PolimarT]

well dosed var is amazing.. if you really get it free as you say i would run as much as possible! def better than 11-keto

and you will be better off running the tren first. good call overlapping the mast too, but if you have the funds i would consider run mast at a lower dose for the beginning as well, or just begin using it right away if you have any nip sensitivity.

Thanks for the feedback bro, my only concern would be the liver damage caused by anavar, 11 keto is not that bad for the liver.. I will try to get more extra vials of mast.