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[BBG]

If it were me running the tren/test combo, I would run the test at 125 or 150mg. However, you might be able to run it at 250 and be fine.

The peptides I'm particularly referring to are the GH secretagogues

[Grape Ape]

For such a long cycle, why not a longer PCT? And IMO 50mg Clomid is too much. Sides don't justify the dose,and evidence shows more isn't always better with Clomid. Lower dose may have the same effect but with less negatives. Probably should run an A.I. in pct too.

Torem is often bunk or under dosed. I'd go with a sermm that can be run longer term, like Ralox.

Maybe...

Clomid: 25mg EOD week 1-6 or 12.5mg ED week 1-4
Ralox: 60mg ED week 1-8
A.I.: XXmg ED/EOD week 2-10
Test booster: 1-8 or 12

[Jelisej]

During cycle- I would increase HCG frequency to either every other day, or 3 times a week.
PCT- I dont understand why mixing SERMS, also clomid dosage is too high- 50 mg eod or 25 mg every day is max, tough even half of that would suffice, really, as matter of fact from what I've seen 12.5 mg daily brings LH to the top.
I agree with Grape Ape, would run PCT for at least 6 weeks.
Add vitamin D to pct, definitely for test boost, bone protection and other benefits
very small dose of exemestane can be handy

[burlyman30]

Good advice above, ken.

[weekend]

Good advice above, ken.

i'll second the advice on the torem / clomid..

clomid run at 25 mg/day max.

6 weeks. 12.5 is probably enough.

torem don't need to go that high with clomid also in there, drop it to 60/60/60/60/30...

gyno wise you're going to want prami or caber on hand.

[weekend]

start hCG week one, pin tren ace ED.

[PolimarT]

It seems they liked my plan at AM, thank you for the feedback, for the pct i took the PoWeR pct program of Michael Scally that it is also suggested by William Llewellyn, however, in this case i replaced the tamo for toremifene as both are similar, tbh i never thought that clomid could benefit at such low dose, i may give it a try, the 2 times ive used it i responded well and with no sides at 50, but it is worth to try 25 mgs (i could cut the tabs in half) , i thought that toremifene/clomid combo would be ideal since it is similar to the original PoWeR PCT the other difference is that i would use hcg during cycle and not on PCT at such high doses (refer to the PoWeR protocol).

I may include exemestane on pct at a very small dose, now i dont know much about ralox, i though it was weak.

The PCT will have some adjustments, i will try clomid at that low dose 25 mgs ED

Weekend, i wish i could pin ED but i would feel like a pin cushion, you see, my only spots to pin will be shoulders, quads ( i am trying to prepare mentally for this.... :-/ ) and well the typical spot (glutes) I refuse to pin somewhere else, biceps is not an option..... pheraphs triceps, however the last time i did on triceps i felt uncomfortable and it hurted.... eeesh :-/

[weekend]

It seems they liked my plan at AM, thank you for the feedback, for the pct i took the PoWeR pct program of Michael Scally that it is also suggested by William Llewellyn, however, in this case i replaced the tamo for toremifene as both are similar, tbh i never thought that clomid could benefit at such low dose, i may give it a try, the 2 times ive used it i responded well and with no sides at 50, but it is worth to try 25 mgs (i could cut the tabs in half) , i thought that toremifene/clomid combo would be ideal since it is similar to the original PoWeR PCT the other difference is that i would use hcg during cycle and not on PCT at such high doses (refer to the PoWeR protocol).

I may include exemestane on pct at a very small dose, now i dont know much about ralox, i though it was weak.

The PCT will have some adjustments, i will try clomid at that low dose 25 mgs ED

Weekend, i wish i could pin ED but i would feel like a pin cushion, you see, my only spots to pin will be shoulders, quads ( i am trying to prepare mentally for this.... :-/ ) and well the typical spot (glutes) I refuse to pin somewhere else, biceps is not an option..... pheraphs triceps, however the last time i did on triceps i felt uncomfortable and it hurted.... eeesh :-/

if you use slins, it isn't shit.

also dropping your dose to half every day is so much more comfortable for me than doubling it every other day... smaller pins = less irritation imo

i use quad delt tri only.

considering lats but just opened up to the medial head of tricep so i should be good without.

[PolimarT]

if you use slins, it isn't shit.

also dropping your dose to half every day is so much more comfortable for me than doubling it every other day... smaller pins = less irritation imo

i use quad delt tri only.

considering lats but just opened up to the medial head of tricep so i should be good without.

I will consider to pin on triceps, i dont like it but that will be an additional spot, i pinned on lats once, it doesnt bother me, but i could not do it on my own

I also have a quick question ...... would it be a good idea to add 11-keto for the first 4-6 weeks? Is 11-keto still available? i think it can be a good kickstart, just a sugar coat as i would like to include an oral, and well 11-keto is not harsh or anything... any input?

[weekend]

You don't need all this complicated shit if you're using tren ace. If I were to kick start with an oral for your cycle though, I would use stano or anavar.

You could also use mast prop.

Tris are easy as hell. As long as you can bench like 225 they are plenty big enough.

Really think you should pin tren ace every day.

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I hate glute shots though, love quads.