A hypothetical test cycle

[weekend]

You can also just run test lower, solo I would say 350. But you need lots of adex or aromasin to dial in estrogen. The masteron for me cuts the bloat much more strongly with even just a little AI, compared to just test with an AI.

[Jack O'Neill]

You can also just run test lower, solo I would say 350. But you need lots of adex or aromasin to dial in estrogen. The masteron for me cuts the bloat much more strongly with even just a little AI, compared to just test with an AI.

Thanks for the advice. Budget is not really a problem for me and I'd prefer to order all what I need to be sure and safe.

So test-p @250-350 and mast @400-500
So test-p @50 ED and mast @100 E2D I suppose? Or something like that.

Does it mean 2 different injections some of days? May it be possible to merge tedt-p and mast together

[Jelisej]

You are entering world of pain. I mean both test p and masteron p need to be injected every day, really but even if you go EOD, very soon it will be hard to find spot to inject gear, as you'll probably have lumps everywhere. Also short, propionate esters are know to cause flu like symptomas, (test flu).
Personally, I'm firm beliver that propionate is better for libido increase, and enthenate is bit better muscle building wise.
I think best option is to start and finish cycle with propionate (and overlap it with test E) mainly to close gap between last injection and PCT.



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[burlyman30]

You are entering world of pain. I mean both test p and masteron p need to be injected every day, really but even if you go EOD, very soon it will be hard to find spot to inject gear, as you'll probably have lumps everywhere. Also short, propionate esters are know to cause flu like symptomas, (test flu).
Personally, I'm firm beliver that propionate is better for libido increase, and enthenate is bit better muscle building wise.
I think best option is to start and finish cycle with propionate (and overlap it with test E) mainly to close gap between last injection and PCT.

Tend to agree with this, unless you enjoy being a human pin cushion.

[weekend]

Meh, I am doing 2 injections ED at the same time and it's been fine. 1 a day is certainly easier lol

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I also think the best way to avoid test flu (got it with test e) is to inject small amounts and increase to your dose. I did it with masteron, then added in test, and later tren.

I guess my cycle has been pretty... Unconventional

[Jelisej]

Murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong".

Murphy's law also says that a slice of buttered bread, when dropped, will always land butter-side down- this theory has been tested number of times, and has been proven to be right most of the time, meaning that most of the time bread will land on buttered side.

In this case, we can assume that Jack O'Neil will certainly have loads of problems on cycle, and switching to enthanate esters it would greatly reduce possible issues, and knowing that differences in benefits of prop./enth are not that big to justify pains, also if he uses enthanate he can get away with injecting only in glutes- which is benefit on its own as injections in glutes are up to 25% more efficient than in most of other injections site.

[burlyman30]

Murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong".

Murphy's law also says that a slice of buttered bread, when dropped, will always land butter-side down- this theory has been tested number of times, and has been proven to be right most of the time, meaning that most of the time bread will land on buttered side.

In this case, we can assume that Jack O'Neil will certainly have loads of problems on cycle, and switching to enthanate esters it would greatly reduce possible issues, and knowing that differences in benefits of prop./enth are not that big to justify pains, also if he uses enthanate he can get away with injecting only in glutes- which is benefit on its own as injections in glutes are up to 25% more efficient than in most of other injections site.

The KISS rule applies here. Keep It Simple, Stupid! For a first cycle, especially! 1 or 2 injections a week is all a first timer needs to deal with.

[weekend]

ahhh you guys are right. i had a line of thinking here but i am probably not putting it into perspective. i would switch to prop OR use mast at the end while the long ester clears.

something like

test e - 250 2x/week week 1-10
mast prop - 150 eod week 10-14
PCT week 14 -->

i honestly think ending on a DHT makes PCT smoother.

could also do stano instead of mast.

[Jack O'Neill]

ahhh you guys are right. i had a line of thinking here but i am probably not putting it into perspective. i would switch to prop OR use mast at the end while the long ester clears.

something like

test e - 250 2x/week week 1-10
mast prop - 150 eod week 10-14
PCT week 14 -->

i honestly think ending on a DHT makes PCT smoother.

could also do stano instead of mast.

To summarize all your posts I could do this proposal :

Test e : @250 2/week week 1-10 (so 500/week)
Test p : @150 EOD week 10-14 (so about 450-600/week)
Stanodrol @1000mg??? Week 10-14 to fight oestrogen and eventual lethargy
Stanodrol tappered off week 15-17 such as 600/400/200/0 for the 4 weeks of PCT
Liv52 all long the cycle
Tudca all long the cycle

For PCT:
Toremifene 90/60/30/30
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Liv52
Intimidate iForce (works very very well for me)

Any AI required during cycle and PCT? I would say Anastrozole @0.25 EOD and Exemestane @25mg ED in PCT

[burlyman30]

You can skip all of the liver supports. Its just a testosterone cycle. If it were methyls that would be different.