Androsterone?

[Sperwer]

I believe Eric said something about it on their forums back in the day.

Boy, that would have been a remarkably stupid thing to do - volunteer that you were mislabeling product.

Anyway, I've got some of all three versions left. Maybe I'll have my guys do the analysis. ...


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[testosteronet]

Boy, that would have been a remarkably stupid thing to do - volunteer that you were mislabeling product.

Anyway, I've got some of all three versions left. Maybe I'll have my guys do the analysis. ...


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I'd be interested to hear your results. I've never tried V1, so I don't have much to add. I did like V2 & V3.

[Right Hook]

The original Arom-x by AMS (capsules) was androsterone. Not sure if it's still out there anywhere though.

[burlyman30]

Boy, that would have been a remarkably stupid thing to do - volunteer that you were mislabeling product.

Anyway, I've got some of all three versions left. Maybe I'll have my guys do the analysis. ...


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The analysis would be interesting. I can confirm that Eric did state on the forums that v1 was actually epiandrosterone. (This happened right before the launch of v2, an all-androsterone product). I am unclear if he initially purchased androsterone raws but was mistakenly sent epiandrosterone instead, or if he initially read the nomenclature incorrectly which led to the mislabelling, or if there was some other reason.

Epiandosterone has an excitory effect on the CNS, while androsterone does not. This, in part, explains the huge difference in "feel" between these two products.

[Sperwer]

Found a comment by Eric in another forum addressing a question re V2:

" Originally Posted by StringerrBell
Can a PP rep please explain the difference between version one and version two of androhard so someone without a chemistry degree and understand it."

"The new version of AndroHard is using androsterone, rather than the weaker epiandrosterone, which is somewhere around 2-4x weaker of a steroid.

New version is also using esterified androsterone, which will be taken up by the lymphatic system and bypass the liver, which leads to a 5-10x boost in absorption and bio-availability.

The end result is a the new version is atleast 5x more effective.

-Eric"

So it seems that, for whatever reason, the labeling of V1 was SNAFU - it uses the term "androsterone" but gives a version of the chemical formula for epiandrosterone in parentheses.

Version 2 was an esterified version of androsterone. About the lethargy-inducing effects of which there were a lot of complaints.

so V3 combined esterified versions of each in two different proportions in two different batches - apparently in order to get the best of androsterone while mitigating the lethargy effects and preserving the overall efficacy of the product.


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[testosteronet]

Found a comment by Eric in another forum addressing a question re V2:

" Originally Posted by StringerrBell
Can a PP rep please explain the difference between version one and version two of androhard so someone without a chemistry degree and understand it."

"The new version of AndroHard is using androsterone, rather than the weaker epiandrosterone, which is somewhere around 2-4x weaker of a steroid.

New version is also using esterified androsterone, which will be taken up by the lymphatic system and bypass the liver, which leads to a 5-10x boost in absorption and bio-availability.

The end result is a the new version is atleast 5x more effective.

-Eric"

So it seems that, for whatever reason, the labeling of V1 was SNAFU - it uses the term "androsterone" but gives a version of the chemical formula for epiandrosterone in parentheses.

Version 2 was an esterified version of androsterone. About the lethargy-inducing effects of which there were a lot of complaints.

so V3 combined esterified versions of each in two different proportions in two different batches - apparently in order to get the best of androsterone while mitigating the lethargy effects and preserving the overall efficacy of the product.


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You are correct, sir.

[testosteronet]

Anyone know the weight or comparison of esterified to non esterified?

Example:
1200mg of ester epiandro is comparable to 900 non ester epiandro.

I remember reading Matt P saying 1200mg of epiandro is stronger than 1200mg of ester epiandro.

[Right Hook]

Anyone know the weight or comparison of esterified to non esterified?

Example:
1200mg of ester epiandro is comparable to 900 non ester epiandro.

I remember reading Matt P saying 1200mg of epiandro is stronger than 1200mg of ester epiandro.

Depends on ester. Was it enanthate or undecanoate?

[testosteronet]

Depends on ester. Was it enanthate or undecanoate?

Enanthoxy...so, enanthate I would assume.

[Right Hook]

Enanthoxy...so, enanthate I would assume.

Yes it's an enanthate plus oxygen atom.

The enanthate ester has a mol weight of 130'ish. Androsterone is 290.44.

So about 69% of androsterone enanthate is actual androsterone.