PCT Advice

[longBallLima]

Hey guys, I'll be finishing off my cycle soon (in February) and wanted to learn/check/ask a few things about my pct to make sure I do everything pretty Thought the genius bar can always increase my humble knowledge lol

So some of these may sound newbie-ish, but again, im also confirming some of what I already know, but making sure instead of jumping into assumptions.

The cycle was:
400/wk Pharma Cyp for 16 weeks
600/wk EQ for 16 weeks
100/EOD Trest Ace
HCG 240iu M/W/F

Did not have any significant estro sides during the whole cycle, still haven't touched the AI

My thought was start the AI while on still, maybe with the last injection, keep the HCG till the first day of the Clomid, run Clomid at 25 ED for 4 weeks, keeping the AI (exemestane) all the way to the end, at maybe 25 EOD, dropping to 12.5 in the last 2 weeks of the PCT. At that point, run bloods, see if the numbers are good and stop or keep going accordingly. Too much AI? Enough clomid? Right HCG timing?

Regarding the EQ, do I start my clomid 4 weeks after the last injection? Or should I stop the EQ, keep the Test and Trest for another week, stop those and start the clomid 3 weeks after that?

I might run some winny on the last 10 days of the cycle because of a photo shoot, but i dont think that has anything to do with the timing here.

During and after my pct, I'm also thinking about running some GRF and GHRP-6 and the B-complex, now that we have a reliable, yet affordable supplier, for that. On a fucking rat of course. Any advice here? coming off of a cycle, is my prolactin any more or less likely to respond negatively?

Im sure there's more, but that's all I could think for now lol

As always, thanks!!

[Freepressright]

Best I have EVER felt on PCT is 25mg of Clomid ED plus iForce Intimidate (n-methyl d-aspartic acid) at one cap every night before bed. The difference is incredible versus other PCTs where I did not include the Intimidate. Balls plumped up, sex drive shot up, I have acne that's at an on-cycle level, the pumps are just sick and the enhanced stability (presumably from CNS stimulation via NMDA) is wonderful. I recommend adding this in to your PCT if you can afford it.

[longBallLima]

You know, I've done that before and I felt I had a lot of classic sides from prolactin. Plus I think I read something here about nmda itself aromatizing. Does that make any sense?

Thanks fpr!

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[Freepressright]

You know, I've done that before and I felt I had a lot of classic sides from prolactin. Plus I think I read something here about nmda itself aromatizing. Does that make any sense?

Thanks fpr!

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DAA, especially of the more potent variety, does have a real potential for raising prolactin. I strongly advise the use of L-Dopa OR p-5-p in split doses if you're going to use it. I have never had any estrogen issues whatsoever while on any DAA product.

[nate3993]

Best to use L-Dopa AND p5p together instead of just one or the other. But I'd say L-Dopa is the heavy hitter between the 2 when it comes to prolactin.

[Freepressright]

I'd tell you to buy Prolactrone by Black Lion because it's genuinely a good product for lowering prolactin and I have personal experience with it, but it is also pricey. This company seems to have the same product, sans the green tea for enhanced absorption/use of the L-dopa:

Synthetic Supplements (Analyzed Supplements) Dopadex (90 Caps): Discount Dopadex Supplements

Add in some cheap NOW green tea pills and you've got a pretty killer anti-prolactin for not much money at all. I can tell you if this stuff hits like Prolactrone does, it's the real deal. Prolactrone was so effective that several of us got temporary carpal tunnel/finger tingling from it.

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Best to use L-Dopa AND p5p together instead of just one or the other. But I'd say L-Dopa is the heavy hitter between the 2 when it comes to prolactin.

I researched this a while back and everything I could find suggested NOT to dose the P-5-P and L-dopa closely together at all because of a 'cancellation' effect. If you're going to do the two together, space the doses considerably.

[Jelisej]

Go with conventional PCT used by majority people here (SERM+ a tiny bit of Exem+ vitamin D+ mixed nuts or tocco 8 or similar product, viagra or sidenafil works very well with clomid/nolva and mixed nuts/tocco 8.

Just by using clomid your LH will be raised as much as your body can raise it, adding DAA is not good idea you dont get benefits really, just sides.
NMDA receptors when overstimulated cause nerve cell death and lessions in brain because of excitotoxicity- as a matter of fact in animal studies NMDA itself is used to induce brain lesions to order due to precisely this effect of killing brain cells. DAA is NMDA agonist so logically in sufficient amount can cause excitotoxicity/neurotoxicity.
DAA is present in small quantities endogenously, but that doesn't mean that exogenous DAA supplementation is safe- as we don't know at what dose exitotoxicity might become significant- as a matter of fact whole idea of DAA supplementation is to cause NMDA receptor stimulation at levels significantly higher than what would occur endogenously in order to try to stimulate the HPTA

I would not suggest you using GHRP-s in PCT.


Also make sure you calculate your PCT correctly, you can always extend cycle by adding testosterone propionate, which will make calculations easier, you run test p for 2-3 weeks longer than other stuff, last shot have test p and HCG together, morning, second day evening you start clomid.

Also make sure you bring your E2 down before end of cycle.

[longBallLima]

Jel, fountain of knowledge as always. E2 down by adding the ai on the last couple of weeks of the cycle?

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[Jelisej]

Yes, thats right. Basically at atart and the end of PCT E2 should be same or lower than usually.
I always recommend aromasin/exemestane- especially in PCT as it does not rebound, and also it somewhat keeps SHBG from raising too high (clomid raises SHBG, aromasin lowers it a bit) so basically it somewhat counteract few clomids side-effects, and free test will be available bit faster and higher than without.

[nate3993]

Question long. What were ur results? How'd you'd like test at 400 a week?