Clomid & Nolva PCT

[markam]

Anyone using both in PCT? According to some, the synergy is good.

I think Nolva is usually dosed @ 20mgs ed for 6 weeks and Clomid 100/100/50/50

Perhaps Clomid @ 50/50/25/25 would be sufficient, or maybe even less?

Need some swolesource wisdom here, please

[nate3993]

Clomid at 100 just isn't needed....and I can say that 25 is pretty much as effective as 50...clomids a powerful ass SERM. U wanna use 50mgs for a week ok, but higher, or dosing 50 mg's for more than a week or two just isn't needed...I know I feels the same way

[markam]

Clomid at 100 just isn't needed....and I can say that 25 is pretty much as effective as 50...clomids a powerful ass SERM. U wanna use 50mgs for a week ok, but higher, or dosing 50 mg's for more than a week or two just isn't needed...I know I feels the same way

Running Clomid at the lowest effective dose is what I'm after. But would Clomid be ok @25mgs for for only 4 weeks alongside Nolva @20mgs for 6 weeks?

[weekend]

I would run like this:

Clomid

25/25/25/12.5/12.5

Nolva

20/20/20/20/20/20

Assuming the cycle is decently light

[Jelisej]

I cannot recall exactly- but 20 mg of nolvadex/tamoxifene is equal to more than 100 mg of clomiphene citrate. 10mg of nolvadex per day is more than enough on its own, seriously. People use like 5 mg a day of nolva (as test booster) and it can keep LH in top of the range.

As for clomiphene 25mg a day is top range (or alternatively 50mg eod)- majority are fine with half of that, really. More than that brings only sides.

So, proposed PCT would be overkill, dosage needs to be reduced for both compounds.

[markam]

Thanks for all the replies.

So, perhaps Clomid 25/25/25/12.5/12.5 (5 weeks)
Nolva 10/10/10/10/10/10 (6 weeks)

Also with Aromasin 12.5 ed 6 weeks then 1 week 12.5 eod.

Maybe run the Nolva at 20mgs for the first week?

Another question I have concerns using raloxifene on cycle as a gyno preventative measure. I used Ralox 60mg ed and 2x25mg ATD ed while running Dienazone at 2mls for 4 weeks and didn't suffer any E2 symptoms. Previously I started getting E2 symptoms when running Dienazone so either the ATD or the Ralox(or combination) is doing the job.
But, would you say the Ralox dosage is too small, anyway?

It would be very helpful if there was a 'Swole Source' guide to PCT and cycle supports, as Jelisej mentioned a while back.

[Jelisej]

OK, I dont really have any (serious) feedback and did not see any bloodworks from person running both tamoxifene and clomiphene so I cannot comment; but upper limit for solo clomiphene is 175 mg a week, and solo tamoxifene 70 mg a week- so I would say that if running both these figures should be reduced big time, probably to 50 % (as both compounds are actually very similar, really). If harsher compounds were used better have longer PCT. From to high SERM dosage you get sides (emotionally unstable etc).

Now, I would like to say that dead person with 3 bullets in the head is not more dead than person with one bullet in head, same goes for shutdown- the difference is only in some other hormones- for example if using compound that causes build-up of progesterone, knowing that it takes awfull long time to for progesterone to clear itself (I dont know any supps that are effective in reducing it) person with high progesterone may take few months to restore its hormonal equilibrium. In mean time he may have lower libido- for few reasons.
Factor number two: PCT start calculation- is very difficult thing to calculate, and most of people tend to get it wrong, for few reasons- miscalculated half-time and very commonly mistake is that people tend to use same date when using different amounts of certain compound- meaning if one person is using 500 mg of test e, and other 750 test e- their PCT start calculations will be completely different, the one with higher dose will have to wait longer

As for gyno- E2 is culprit, keep E2 in range and there is no gyno, aromasin is simplest choice.

On addition to SERM and AI, vitamin D is must have, as it is test booster it protects bones and from bone pain in PCT plus other benefits, mixed nuts 9 (or other tocopherills like tocco-8), and some viagra- these things work together in synergy (SERMS raise LH, mixed nuts make testicles more sensitive to LH and viagra makes usage of LH more efficient).

[markam]

Great info as always, Jelisej!

I had guessed that using Viagra in PCT was purely to help one 'perform' and feel better physiologically. I had no idea that 'viagra makes usage of LH more efficient'.

You also mentioned using Nolva as a test booster, Is that similar to the clomid restart protocol (even though you use Nolva)?



Thanks again for the help. Would be great to get a 'sticky' on PCT so all the relevant info is in one place.

[Jelisej]

"You also mentioned using Nolva as a test booster, Is that similar to the clomid restart protocol (even though you use Nolva)?"

Basically, tamoxifene and clomiphene are very similar- its like Stella Artois and Budweiser- there are differences but neverthless its same category- so whatever goes for clomiphene goes for tamoxifene, really. Only thing is that clomiphene has more research behind it, which calms and reassure people, and makes things easier to explain.

here you will find about viagra/sidenafil and why use them in PCT, check post #7 and further posts:
Anbolic technologies

[Cobalt]

Clomid and Viagra are synergistic, done it myself with good results.

I've also read that Clomid and Letro are synergistic, going to give it a shot soon.