Estrogen in PCT-Bloodwork Forthcoming

[longBallLima]

I would get numbers first and go from there. While you're at it, maybe check on the adrenals, though Jel is the man to tell you what to look for. Do you have low T symptoms? How's the size on them ballz?

Not to sound preachy, but through this assessment period, I would cut pot and other substances as well, just to make sure you have a good clear reading.

[Jelisej]

Yeah. That's what I'm thinking man. Should I just go off? Get a blood test that shows I'm low and then go on TRT?

You can either wait for another 8 weeks (6 would probably be enough) retest and than take it from there, or you can go bit longer on clomid- than take 8 weeks off and retest, if I remeber correctly previously you had very low test levels because AAS but eventually after long time and effort it went to 500-ish? so it seems that you HPTA is notoriously slow to recover, but there is still chance- on other hand considering your test levels before cycle was not great so its unlikely that you'll go over low 500's, but lot of folks feel good enough on 500 ng/dl.


Now regarding SERMS, if you used higher dosages of SERMS you might have had higher test levels on blood test- but that does not mean that your recovery would be better, in other words if you used lower dosages than your 560 ng/dl may go down to 500 ng/dl if you used high dosages you might have tested 800 ng/dl but you would still end up with 500 ng/dl.
A lot depends from pituary, for example very often for guys with congenital hypogonadism is that when they are on SERMS they get good numbers but as soon as they stop using it their levels drop like a rock.

[nate3993]

Gonna go off of em and retest.

Been using 12.5mg Clomid. 15-30mg torem, toco caps, and arimistane at 100mgs for estro control. Was using every other day for a month and a half and then dropped for e3-4 day for the last half month.

[Jelisej]

So SERM's levels in your system were not that high, so your test level may not be as high as they might have been, which also means that it may not drop a lot. And you could do blood test in 6 weeks.
What were your last results before cycle?

[nate3993]

684

Yeah. I'm gonna be extra on point with my diet. Saturated fats, sunlight, green smoothies, celery, broccoli, garlic, ginger, onions, etc. Foods that show extra influence on hormones. I'm also gonna make sure to keep with excercise, and try and eliminate more environmental toxins like plastic water bottles and after a month to a month and a half, see where I'm at totally on my own with doing everything right. Good sleep, the works. I'm not giving up just yet, I mean, I can find positives to going on TRT, but if I can avoid it, I much rather would.

[Jelisej]

yeah, I dont think that things are that bad- even in past you had much worse results but they gradually improved, including your thyroid- and beleive it can happen again given, sometimes recovery takes long time- much longer than people think. And its not all just in number- personally I had "boosted" my tt levels to 800 and something and did not feel great, and I had it at around 680 and felt great, it all depends from lot of circumstances and balance of other hormones, it is how we feel that is important not numbers.

[nate3993]

So new update, and its rather strange. I haven't been good about diet. Ive been eating like once a day. Not great about sleep. I'm more stressed out than ever 9+ hour stressful days with no lunches. Blue Cross and other insurance companies fucking over our business left and right and i haven't been getting sunlight, I've been drinking a decent amount of beer here and there, smoking weed, using some xanax here and there for stress and yet....

After not being on clomid, torem, exem, maca or anything else that could influence my hormones for over a month.....


My test results came back stellar. Eerily stellar.

Total T- 734! Highest I've EVER had.
Free T- 171! More than 4 times my previous highest and us even so high its out of range.
E2-Pending
Cortisol- 17.9- Also very good
SHGB- 28 -Also very good. Right in the middle.
DHT -Pending
LH- 3.1-Also quite good
FSH- <0.7- Its been like this on at least 3 different tests


WTF? I feel shitty. I'm gonna say Lyme disease cuz even when i go through a string string of eating better and getting quality sleep, I feel better but nothing to crow home about.

FOR SURE my Lyme has been acting up tho. Muscle Spasms. Bumping into corners of walls completely sober. And i don't mean grazing, i mean my depth perception is so bad i shoulder check walls. Numbness sensations in multiple parts of my body like an MS patient. The sensation a bug is crawling on me on different parts of my body and there's nothing there. Having moments where i just feel literally insane like i'm losing my mind. Memory has been shitty. Sometimes i get sharp shooting pain in random parts of my body or the sensation like someone just stabbed me with a needle.

Stress makes lyme worse. That's fact. So i know that's partially what's going on, I just didn't expect these tests results to be so stellar after not being on SERMS or anything for over a month. Kinda fascinating. These are the highest my testosterone has been.



Here's the only thing I've taken. Cialis. a few different times. 12.5mg once or twice, but it was weeks bfor i had the blood test and i doubt 12mg's of cilais is gonna skyrocket my free test and total testosterone.



We're gonna retest in a month to make sure they didn't mess up my bw with someone else's.



What a fukin trip huh?

[Jelisej]

Well,try adding some magnesium. And multivitamins.
I dont think these symptoms are from lyme- maybe your ferritin (iron) is low, or thyroid hormones are getting depleted. There are other possibilities.
Try to reduce stress, improve your diet a bit- eat more than once a day.

Regarding hormones- they are probably not settled yet.