Well, I'll see bro, you might be right on, but I'll creep up to that if it seems good. It's a relatively safe ph, as I understand. I also might try 120mg of dermatren for a time if I handle 90 good. Hoping for a dry, cutting cycle, it's been quite a while since I've been that way. To intro it to my system, I'll begin at least a few days 60 trenavar, 400 epiandro, then move up. I'm guessing you'd suggest I start the epi same time (was considering starting it at 2 weeks and continuing it 2 weeks after trenavar was gone). This would be for sides, which would come at 2-4 weeks, and to make pct a little easier.