So I'm taking Havoc....

[OrionBixler]

...I'm getting that nice shredded look and I'm in about my 3rd week of it.

I was wondering if I could take 5 Alpha Test right after I finish this cycle?

Or should I just take PCT and then take the 5 Alpha Test right after the PCT cycle?

[Cobalt]

Any time you finish a cycle (including PCT) you need to take off the same amount of time that you were on.
For example, if you were on Havoc for 6 weeks then PCT for 4 weeks, you should take 10 weeks off from hormonal supplements before starting again.

Your best bet would be to run the havoc, then the 5-alpha with one round of PCT after they are through.

Another option would be to stack the Havoc and 5-Alpha, could make for a nice cycle.

[WesleyInman]

Hey man..HAVOC is amazing..45-60mgs seems to be a sweet spot, and anything higher seems to bring about too much anger and aggression in my experiences with well over a hundred people using this product that I counseled.

Havoc and epi "CAN" convert to pregyno in certain users or in high dosages. You will see this is in theory impossible. I've seen this dozens of times firsthand. It's possible. Keep that in mind.

So let me put a shameless Plug in the mix. Mike and I from Prescription Nutrition spoke about 2 years ago because Havoc was so solid. It seemed to work better then all other epistanes, for whatever reason. So he agreed to mimic it, make it a stronger dosage at nearly the same price. So PN Epistane is identical to havoc, but you get 90caps at 15mgs Each pill for $45 retail..that is before discount codes.

Also the 5 alpha test is decent. I have personally used 3 bottles. It is much weaker then the alternatives. The strongest versions I have found..again a shameless plug, but at the same time, I give you my word this is legit info and the board members can verify this..

PN Epi andro hard and IML Epi andro RX are far better options. They have delivery systems and are dosed way way stronger.

3-400mgs is a sweet spot.

You can get the PN products at http://www.rxwhey.com..or if you cant find them there, visit my store GymNTonic.com, but I believe Mike has them up on the RX whey site so go there first.

If you need the IML version, I can get you a discount on those.

There is no better PH imo on the market today then that Epiandro compound. I will shutup now, bc I am slightly obsessed.

[Bam24]

U might be obsessed with it lol. So much that it's got me curious and wanting to give it a go at 400mg

[Freepressright]

Hey man..HAVOC is amazing..45-60mgs seems to be a sweet spot, and anything higher seems to bring about too much anger and aggression in my experiences with well over a hundred people using this product that I counseled.

Havoc and epi "CAN" convert to pregyno in certain users or in high dosages. You will see this is in theory impossible. I've seen this dozens of times firsthand. It's possible. Keep that in mind.

So let me put a shameless Plug in the mix. Mike and I from Prescription Nutrition spoke about 2 years ago because Havoc was so solid. It seemed to work better then all other epistanes, for whatever reason. So he agreed to mimic it, make it a stronger dosage at nearly the same price. So PN Epistane is identical to havoc, but you get 90caps at 15mgs Each pill for $45 retail..that is before discount codes.

Also the 5 alpha test is decent. I have personally used 3 bottles. It is much weaker then the alternatives. The strongest versions I have found..again a shameless plug, but at the same time, I give you my word this is legit info and the board members can verify this..

PN Epi andro hard and IML Epi andro RX are far better options. They have delivery systems and are dosed way way stronger.

3-400mgs is a sweet spot.

You can get the PN products at http://www.rxwhey.com..or if you cant find them there, visit my store GymNTonic.com, but I believe Mike has them up on the RX whey site so go there first.

If you need the IML version, I can get you a discount on those.

There is no better PH imo on the market today then that Epiandro compound. I will shutup now, bc I am slightly obsessed.

I ran Havoc and Dermacrine together about three years ago. It was a great cycle. Although I will say the Havoc was probably the worst shutdown I've ever had to recover from, for whatever reason. My sex drive was in the toilet for weeks and erectile function was fairly poor until everything evened back out.

While on, though, I was a porn star!

[AttackonHill]

Hey man..HAVOC is amazing..45-60mgs seems to be a sweet spot, and anything higher seems to bring about too much anger and aggression in my experiences with well over a hundred people using this product that I counseled.

Havoc and epi "CAN" convert to pregyno in certain users or in high dosages. You will see this is in theory impossible. I've seen this dozens of times firsthand. It's possible. Keep that in mind.

So let me put a shameless Plug in the mix. Mike and I from Prescription Nutrition spoke about 2 years ago because Havoc was so solid. It seemed to work better then all other epistanes, for whatever reason. So he agreed to mimic it, make it a stronger dosage at nearly the same price. So PN Epistane is identical to havoc, but you get 90caps at 15mgs Each pill for $45 retail..that is before discount codes.

Also the 5 alpha test is decent. I have personally used 3 bottles. It is much weaker then the alternatives. The strongest versions I have found..again a shameless plug, but at the same time, I give you my word this is legit info and the board members can verify this..

PN Epi andro hard and IML Epi andro RX are far better options. They have delivery systems and are dosed way way stronger.

3-400mgs is a sweet spot.

You can get the PN products at http://www.rxwhey.com..or if you cant find them there, visit my store GymNTonic.com, but I believe Mike has them up on the RX whey site so go there first.

If you need the IML version, I can get you a discount on those.

There is no better PH imo on the market today then that Epiandro compound. I will shutup now, bc I am slightly obsessed.

Hey man. I read your log on Epiandro from another forum. Very helpful stuff. Definitely no need to shut up, your opinion is valuable to myself as well as I'm sure the original poster.

Also as a side note, I'm sure you know this but you're a beast and it's sick you get to train with Derek Poundstone. My favorite performance of his was that year he won Fortissimus (now defunct Canadian? event).

[OrionBixler]

So are you saying I should take the 5 alpha after I finish Havoc....then PCT? which would be about 14 weeks total...which would be me laying off anything hormonal for a total of 14 weeks off right?

[OrionBixler]

Damn....I just now noticed how 5 Alpha test got a raise on its price.... Just when I was about to purchase it,its back up close to 50$! WTF happened?!!

Is it because it actually WORKS?! lol I remember buying me a bottle of it back when they were selling it for under 30$. At first I thought it wasn't effective but then I noticed how decent it was. It definitely does work.

The problem is I don't think its really worth 50$... I would say it be worth maybe close to 30$ but over 30$ would be pushing it.

I'm thinking about taking Stano... however if you guys can suggest any other options then let me know!

[necropuppy]

I'd go with mestebol from celtic over stano, you gotta run stano high like 1000mg to 1200mg for you to see results. Though I did run halo and it was pretty good. But I ran it at 1200

[lt1head]

My second cycle ever i ran 200mgs of halo a day, with 2 mils of trenazone. put on 21lbs in 30 days, and my liver didn't explode... really can't go wrong with halo in my opinion.