Going with epistane

[Frank Thomas]

So far Olympus seems effective. I would be willing to try other products from them

I have used LGi, Iron Legion, Anteus, Iron Mag and Xtreme products on the past

Thanks for the response. I've heard both ways on their product.
Thanks again

[Strong_Guy]

Cycle is looking like this so far:

Dermacrine: 5 pumps, weeks 1-8

Vital Labs Stano Shred: 3 caps/day (600 mgs), weeks 3-8

Vital Labs Protex cycle support: 3 caps/day, weeks 3-8

Vital Labs EPI 2A3A: 20/30/40/40/40, weeks 4-8

Vital Labs Post Cycle 3X: 4 caps/day, weeks 9-12; might throw some Phyto-Test in post-PCT

Been following a low carb, moderate/high fat and protein diet over the last couple months and have trimmed down nicely. Going to give the diet another few weeks then start the cycle while following the same general diet. Goals are decent strength increase and some good dry gains. Never tried anything from Vital Labs before, but products look solid and there seems to be some good feedback out there.

[Strong_Guy]

So I was able to pick up a couple tubes of PP AndroEnhance. What are the thoughts of swapping out the Dermacrine and Stano for the AE on this cycle? One of my main concerns with this cycle is lethargy from the Epi which I know Dermacrine is known to help effectively combat. I think the AE could potentially be a good addition. Otherwise I may save it for a future stack. Side note, I never really got to play around with AE much to determine if it is better in a cut or bulk, I only used a couple tubes when it first came out and before it was no longer made. Again, the goal of this particular cycle is to trim down and get some good lean gains.

[Freepressright]

So I was able to pick up a couple tubes of PP AndroEnhance. What are the thoughts of swapping out the Dermacrine and Stano for the AE on this cycle? One of my main concerns with this cycle is lethargy from the Epi which I know Dermacrine is known to help effectively combat. I think the AE could potentially be a good addition. Otherwise I may save it for a future stack. Side note, I never really got to play around with AE much to determine if it is better in a cut or bulk, I only used a couple tubes when it first came out and before it was no longer made. Again, the goal of this particular cycle is to trim down and get some good lean gains.

I tried AndroEnhance when it was first released. There's a definite difference between it and Dermacrine.

Here's what I found:

-Instant muscle volumization and vascularity enhancement (like, within the first 48 hours).
-Libido neutral, perhaps even libido negative to only a small degree
-No lethargy
-Agression and mild emotional sides
-Severe dry skin and it smells like tequila. Be aware this stuff is NOT as skin friendly as Dermacrine. You will most likely be forced to change application sites due to the "snake skin" you might get from it.

[Strong_Guy]

I tried AndroEnhance when it was first released. There's a definite difference between it and Dermacrine.

Here's what I found:

-Instant muscle volumization and vascularity enhancement (like, within the first 48 hours).
-Libido neutral, perhaps even libido negative to only a small degree
-No lethargy
-Agression and mild emotional sides
-Severe dry skin and it smells like tequila. Be aware this stuff is NOT as skin friendly as Dermacrine. You will most likely be forced to change application sites due to the "snake skin" you might get from it.

I do remember the drying effect on the skin, I did have to switch application areas regularly. I think I will save it for a spring stack with a high dose of epiandro. I'm pretty sold on trying the epistane/dermacrine stack and I think it will match my current goals well.

[Strong_Guy]

Cycle is locked in as follows. Currently in week 3 of Dermacrine. Start Epi in a week.

On Cycle:

Dermacrine: 5 pumps, weeks 1-8

Vital Labs Protex cycle support: 2 caps/day, weeks 3-8

Vital Labs EPI 2A3A: 20/30/40/40/40, weeks 4-8

PCT:

Vital Labs Post Cycle 3X: 4 caps/day, weeks 9-12

Vital Labs DAA MAX: 4 caps/day, weeks 9-12

Olympus Labs ELIM1NATE: 75/50/50/25, weeks 9-12


As far as the Androenhance goes, I already have plans for that next spring: 4 pumps/day stacked with 6 caps of Antaeus Labs Ultra Stano (900 mg). Already have the Ultra Stano on order, really excited about this one.

[Freepressright]

Cycle is locked in as follows. Currently in week 3 of Dermacrine. Start Epi in a week.

On Cycle:

Dermacrine: 5 pumps, weeks 1-8

Vital Labs Protex cycle support: 2 caps/day, weeks 3-8

Vital Labs EPI 2A3A: 20/30/40/40/40, weeks 4-8

PCT:

Vital Labs Post Cycle 3X: 4 caps/day, weeks 9-12

Vital Labs DAA MAX: 4 caps/day, weeks 9-12

Olympus Labs ELIM1NATE: 75/50/50/25, weeks 9-12


As far as the Androenhance goes, I already have plans for that next spring: 4 pumps/day stacked with 6 caps of Antaeus Labs Ultra Stano (900 mg). Already have the Ultra Stano on order, really excited about this one.

Smart man, priming yourself with the Dermacrine. That's exactly what I did, and it was a winner. The Dermacrine was peaking nicely when the Epi was introduced.

Had I not washed my hands of methyls, I'd probably run this stack again. Felt amazing.

[Strong_Guy]

Ok, something strange is going on. Last week was my first week of epi at 20 mg/day, just started my 30 mg/day yesterday. The first week I noticed feeling a bit anxious, particularly in the first hour or so after dosing. Also, sleep started to suffer a bit; started to have some difficulty falling/staying asleep throughout the night.

Now, day two of taking 30 mg I just literally feeling like I was starting to have a panic attack a few minutes ago after taking my third cap for the day. What the hell?!? I did some quick research but I didn't find this as being an overly common side effect... I've been dosing one 10 mg cap about 6-7 hours apart as recommended, I don't really know what is going on. I'm definitely more than a bit alarmed to say the least. Maybe I have a low tolerance? This is the first DS cycle I've ever tried, everything else has been on the milder side of PH's (DHEA derivatives). I'm considering dialing it back to 20 mg/day maybe; or just possibly scrapping the whole thing and just finishing with the Dermacrine.

Any thoughts??

[Freepressright]

Ok, something strange is going on. Last week was my first week of epi at 20 mg/day, just started my 30 mg/day yesterday. The first week I noticed feeling a bit anxious, particularly in the first hour or so after dosing. Also, sleep started to suffer a bit; started to have some difficulty falling/staying asleep throughout the night.

Now, day two of taking 30 mg I just literally feeling like I was starting to have a panic attack a few minutes ago after taking my third cap for the day. What the hell?!? I did some quick research but I didn't find this as being an overly common side effect... I've been dosing one 10 mg cap about 6-7 hours apart as recommended, I don't really know what is going on. I'm definitely more than a bit alarmed to say the least. Maybe I have a low tolerance? This is the first DS cycle I've ever tried, everything else has been on the milder side of PH's (DHEA derivatives). I'm considering dialing it back to 20 mg/day maybe; or just possibly scrapping the whole thing and just finishing with the Dermacrine.

Any thoughts??

How long have you been taking the Dermacrine, and did it, by itself, cause you any increase in anxiety? I have heard some report that the pregenolone can overstimulate them, making them anxious, but if you took it for a couple weeks with no issues, I don't know that I'd look to it for blame.

I've never heard of Epi causing anxiety or panic. Dial it back to 20 and assess how you feel. Ride it out a week or so at 20 and then try bumping it up again.

[Cdsnuts]

Ok, something strange is going on. Last week was my first week of epi at 20 mg/day, just started my 30 mg/day yesterday. The first week I noticed feeling a bit anxious, particularly in the first hour or so after dosing. Also, sleep started to suffer a bit; started to have some difficulty falling/staying asleep throughout the night.

Now, day two of taking 30 mg I just literally feeling like I was starting to have a panic attack a few minutes ago after taking my third cap for the day. What the hell?!? I did some quick research but I didn't find this as being an overly common side effect... I've been dosing one 10 mg cap about 6-7 hours apart as recommended, I don't really know what is going on. I'm definitely more than a bit alarmed to say the least. Maybe I have a low tolerance? This is the first DS cycle I've ever tried, everything else has been on the milder side of PH's (DHEA derivatives). I'm considering dialing it back to 20 mg/day maybe; or just possibly scrapping the whole thing and just finishing with the Dermacrine.

Any thoughts??

Could be an over burdened liver.