What are your short and long term goals?

[DJM]

Ripped and 200 pounds. That's my goal... I think you hit on a point though, most guys think they are 10-12% body fat.. really probably closer to 15%.

last time i used a fkn bf handheld, clear six pack 3months ago, it read 14.8%.....had separation in most muscle groups too......last month, i got to shredded in my view and mirror would say 8%, bf will say 11 my guess............like you said, everyone seems to be 12-15% these days, when most are far from it.......fuck iv been 20 at the start of the spring, think read 22 even before i got to business, still had cuts a outline of top abs........so again 225 at 12-15% im quite sure is doable, just im sorry, it seems people underestimate what it takes, either they think gains keep piling on year after year, maybe gear got them to this point why wont it get them there, n so on...............to eat that much, and be clean to maintain the condidtion......all the power to you

and start using the mirror as this bf measuring, too much stock put into it
ippy claimed what?10-12%, hed need to be 150 i think if he was 173 in those pics to pull it off...and hes not the only one

[Freepressright]

Ripped and 200 pounds. That's my goal... I think you hit on a point though, most guys think they are 10-12% body fat.. really probably closer to 15%.

This is my goal as well.

[BoneDaddy]

quite interesting in the 225+lbs at 12-15%bf and how many guys its a short or long term goal
jmo, but 200lbs cut (15% is cut, meaning 4 defined abs,not ippy abs - 10-12% is ripped) is quite a task for most even with gear unless you are 6'1+...........please dont under appreciate how hard even that is......let alone 225 cut

Eh, perhaps I'm on the wrong note then. I've always thought you had to be under 10% to have clearly define abs, more so around 8% and under. I'm not shooting for that skin tight, ripped abs that Ippy twerks to, especially at 225. My appetite is dead right now and I cant even fathom eating to maintain all that right now. Then again......it's probably the Mono talking........

[Jimbuick]

Short term: increase strength and maintain/increase total athleticism

Long term: 185-190 at 10% with all of the above attributes in check.

[Mr_math]

Lol I know where I stand % wise. Plus For me I think realistic isn't going to be 10%. If I can keep the internals healthy and maintain a weight for competition everything else will be fine.

[Eden]

last time i used a fkn bf handheld, clear six pack 3months ago, it read 14.8%.....had separation in most muscle groups too......last month, i got to shredded in my view and mirror would say 8%, bf will say 11 my guess............like you said, everyone seems to be 12-15% these days, when most are far from it.......fuck iv been 20 at the start of the spring, think read 22 even before i got to business, still had cuts a outline of top abs........so again 225 at 12-15% im quite sure is doable, just im sorry, it seems people underestimate what it takes, either they think gains keep piling on year after year, maybe gear got them to this point why wont it get them there, n so on...............to eat that much, and be clean to maintain the condidtion......all the power to you

and start using the mirror as this bf measuring, too much stock put into it
ippy claimed what?10-12%, hed need to be 150 i think if he was 173 in those pics to pull it off...and hes not the only one

I just wanted to say that I hope you didn't think I dont appreciate how long my goals will take to achieve, I do fully understand the work required, and respect the work that will have to go into it. I didn't want you to think that I just threw my head in the clouds without any sense of what it takes to get there. :]

[DJM]

^^^it was a generalization, i see it all over, i prob was like that too when i started, thinking id grow 15bs every year
id think anyone 5'8-5'9 at 225-230 at low bf is on gear 24/7, be it a cruise/cycle whatever

[h2s]

If people are worried about bf% why dont they buy skin fold calipers? Not 100%, but for like $5 it gave me a reasonable estimate.

[DJM]

i tried those on my ass once..........not low bf at all

[Eden]

^^^it was a generalization, i see it all over, i prob was like that too when i started, thinking id grow 15bs every year
id think anyone 5'8-5'9 at 225-230 at low bf is on gear 24/7, be it a cruise/cycle whatever

I know I just wanted to put my 2c in there. I wasn't feeling personally attacked or anything man, it's all friendly. I just think that a lot of dudes just like you do, they don't realize the work that is involved with what they are wanting to do.