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    Help Me With My PCT!

    Okay guys. I'm on cycle again. Ran Test and Primo and some Tbol. and a little anavar too. lower doses this time.

    I jumped back on cycle because i didnt feel too good. Long story short, in my post PCT bloods i still had some serm in my system after my last 5 month long cycle... my total T was 1130, but my LH and FSH were higher than in my original first pre-cycle blood work where my total test was 1131... This means my nuts were basically desensitized. I have probably used hcg too long? I got bloods again 3 months after PCT and total test had dropped to 450. I felt okay (actually pretty damn good) mentally but had pretty bad ED and was shrinking in the gym.

    So i saw the result, and said fuck it. Jumping back on. Ran 500 primo with 300 test for a while. now i am on 210 mg test, and plan to drop to 140 and then come off over the next month. i want to adjust my body to lower levels before PCT, i know some may say that pct is better the sooner you do it, but i felt like total ass during my last PCT.

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    excess exem + toremifene + clomid

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    4x 75iu HMG
    3x 5000 iu HCG

    i have used hcg through this whole cycle at 500 iu MWF. this kept my balls at about 2/3 normal size. seminal volume has been down since starting PREVIOUS cycle. it never went up except DURING PCT and BEGINNING of this cycle. any time i was either on steroids for longer than a week or on nothing my seminal volume dropped.

    also currently wrapping up a 7 month run of HGH and peptides. i will be off the peptides and HGH 2 weeks before i start pct. (i was on the peptides during my last PCT, and actually have used peptides almost constantly (no more than a month or two break) for the last year.)

    I'm opposed to using serms other than torem and clomid. i am opposed to heavy use of the DA's but i would be okay using a small amount of caber...

    i definitely want to use all the HMG because my seminal volume is fucking weak.

    I would like to feel good ASAP and have good erections not on steroids like my pre Tren PCT's!

    it sucks to feel like i have to be on steroids to perform in bed at 22 years old.


    As a side note, 8 weeks of primo at 500 mg gave great gains. i gained 30 lbs and stayed lean. the HGH being involved may have added something to the equation. I also ran a vial of masteron at the end of primo and at that point i felt very similar to how i felt on tren.

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    to clarify. any time i have been off steroids and then gone back on, i have seen a huge increase in seminal volume for the first week of a cycle.

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    These bloods are from before my first cycle of testosterone (had done two PP andro cycles and an 11-oxo cycle)

    oct 10, 2012

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    these are from april 16 2014, 4 weeks post PCT from a 5 month cycle including test at 350/wk all the way through and doses of up to 80 mg tren ED and 120 mast ED. also included 4 or 5 different orals as well as boldenone acetate and stanolone (DHT) acetate (THE ULTIMATE GYNO NUKER IF YOU WERE WONDERING)

    before this cycle i ran 14 weeks of 500 mg test and then later a month or two of masteron+proviron solo.
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    and these are my bloods from july 11th. i started this cycle july 15th. so i've been on exactly 12 weeks now.

    i was not using anything other than vitamins, HGH, peptides and t2t4 here.

    also should note i have used 1 pill a day of evolved's t2t4 product for the entire summer to enhance the effect of HGH. i haven't noticed a difference.
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    i have other bloods if anyone is interested but i think these are the most relevant.

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    Can't see the second or third set of bloods on here.
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    fixed.. i think

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    Your liver needs rest, maybe to take some "liver forte"?
    You have a lot of cycles in short time, you need rest there as well.
    I dont think using peptides or anything that affect hormones in PCT and some time after is a good idea.

    4 weeks after PCT SERMS may be still present in your system which would explain elevated LH/FSH tough they have tendency to come in peaks, so one minute can be high next low- if they are consistently low or high than you can suspect problem with pituary or testicles.

    If you have prolactin issues you should sort out cause which is one (or combination of) 3: 1. pituary adenoma 2. hypothroidism 3. high level of stress

    500 IU of HCG is bit high, 250 IU should suffice.


    take longer PCT this time, and longer time of as well, also note that after PCT is done- there are still ups and downs till HPTA settles down to certain level, and it may take while for it ti settle. Going on cycle during this period can mess up HPTA, and especially if you're under 25 or over 40.


    Your ED/libido issues could be result of high progesterone levels, which also binds DHT and E2 as well. For elevated progesterone to clears off system can take awfull long time, and as far as I know- there is no medication to reduce it.
    Tough if your progesterone is high you may feel somehow sedated.
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    I certainly did not feel sedated.

    250 iu of hcg is not enough to keep my balls from shrinking.


    My pct was 10 weeks last time.

    I think my liver is always this way. I do not believe i have prolactin issues.


    Do you have suggestions for dosing and timing of pct items as i listed above?

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    Peptides part is debatable but generally I dont think anything was wrong with your last PCT, maybe this time run exem one more week than last time. And take some reasonable time off- last time you went on cycle before your HPTA recovery was complete ( it takes while after PCT to things settle). And other thing some compounds can have an post-effect longer than people think- (including tren). nandrolone is probably worst one as it can have effect on brain chemistry for a year or more which thus can have effect on hormones as well as libido and even emotional part.
    In any case if you remember my formula was: (Time on+ PCT) X2= Time of. Which translates into- once you had 13 week cycle you are done for that year.
    If you thinking into going pros than maybe prescription is option. If you want to stay "natural" you'll need to make changes and reduce your cycles, or even completely stop.
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