Scope's TRT Journey.......

[O.N.]

Would be great to mix myself but how do I know what's causing me to have Low T and I know I'm still producing test know and HCG has boosted my levels before but I'm back to feeling shitty and have been for months.

This probably sound hard headed and stubborn but Im not sure Id even want to take a natty supp everyday to boost levels over just pining test weekly. The natty way does sound good but it'll get spendy over time because my dads told me how cheap his vials of test are and its dirt cheap.
Plus if I go the natty route I'll still be stuck doing/paying for my own bloods too.

Well you can pin yourself for the rest of your life or fix the issues....pinning gets old fast especially once you get older. Not to mention the long term health issues, the highs and lows of TRT levels, kids, long term sexual function as there is no intratesticular testosterone anymore.

You need to test the following:

Testosterone total
Free testosterone
LH
FSH
SHBG
Estrogen
Cortisol
Prolactin

Cholesterol total
LDL
HDL
triglycerides

LFT
Vitamin D

All impact testosterone production, you can narrow down what of these above are causing you to have low testosterone, you can then treat each parameter as a symptom. You would also be better off if you had to have booster shots of HCG say at worst case every 3 months versus HRT for life. The booster shots would only be required until you sorted out whatever is causing you to have low testosterone.

Like i said the mechanics of the body are working you are making testosterone, you simply need to fine tune whatever is causing it to be low, fix your diet, drug taking issues, sleeping habits etc.

Steroids are a bandaid to your issue....worst part is when you pull the bandaid off the wound is worse than before you put it on.

[Scope75]

ON that post is just what I needed to read and ill try and see if the doctor is willing to check/test all those things out.
What about DHT should that be tested too?

Only thing is I still plan to cycle some PEDs here and there so is it worth me tring to get everythjng straightened just to tank all my levels and start over again?
Or maybe one everything is straightened out I won't need any PEDs.

[lt1head]

Dr Crisler has a bloodstest list and explains why to take each test. It's "TRT a recipe for success". 31 | January | 2014 | Boston Testosterone Partners lot's of good info here if you are looking to self treat.

You and I share similar estrogen levels, I would be interested to see you run a genetic profile through 23andme to see if you also have anything that prevents the processing of estrogen normally. Potentially could find something treatable that's causing the estrogen build up. But keep in mind that genetics are VERY uncharted water, and might lead nowhere for now.... I found why my levels were garbage and ended up on TRT anyways.

I started TRT 3 months ago and I still feel like ass, it wont necessarily be an easy ride at first, and some people end up needing daily HCG and or pregnenelone to feel right. Best of luck whatever you decide to do bro.

[weekend]

look i am neutral on whether you should do TRT or not... how old are you?

TRT will come with some issues but MOST of the time you will feel good once you get your system figured out

HOWEVER.. youre ignoring two huge factors in this. your estrogen is way too high. very suppressive. marijuana raises prolactin (by reducing dopamine) and thus suppresses testosterone.

take exemestane and res 100 and quit marijuana and youll be in a healthy range i guarantee.

you can also burn the candle at both ends and smoke hella weed on TRT. whatever floats your boat....

just watch out, if theres a zombie apocalypse there will be no pharma test to be had...

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do you still look like your avatar?

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ON's advice is spot on here but again, the issues to be fixed are already right in front of us lol marijuana and estrogen.

[weekend]

going vegan for a week is cake, i did it for a year and a half. never ate meat for 7 years. lol. you seem set in your ways so i presume quitting weed might be out of the question. if quitting weed is out of the question youll prob want TRT... but with TRT you will definitely need long term exemestane

so youll be taking that or another estro control regardless.

unless you use gel. which sucks with GF and gave my dad a gnarly ass rash

[lt1head]

Weekend, I'm assuming you are talking about androgel or fortesta?

Not trying to start shit here but this is my experience with gel:

2 months of fortesta and .25adex ED put my estrogen at 258.... they ran that test twice. couldnt tolerate more pharma adex. Probably isnt that bad for everyone. but for me, estrogen is way more controllable pinning test cyp hands down. Hair loss was also an issue specific to the gel.

[Scope75]

look i am neutral on whether you should do TRT or not... how old are you?

TRT will come with some issues but MOST of the time you will feel good once you get your system figured out

HOWEVER.. youre ignoring two huge factors in this. your estrogen is way too high. very suppressive. marijuana raises prolactin (by reducing dopamine) and thus suppresses testosterone.

take exemestane and res 100 and quit marijuana and youll be in a healthy range i guarantee.

you can also burn the candle at both ends and smoke hella weed on TRT. whatever floats your boat....

just watch out, if theres a zombie apocalypse there will be no pharma test to be had...

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do you still look like your avatar?

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ON's advice is spot on here but again, the issues to be fixed are already right in front of us lol marijuana and estrogen.

I'm 29.5

The high estrogen was in 2011 and it hasn't been that high since and I wasn't smoking back then either.
The other times it was checked I was on something and it was low from the compound and the other time it was low from the AI.
I was actually going to quit or stop the MJ for a while yesterday but my buddy came by and smoked me out and gave me 2 grams so I have to finish that first. Lol
I've also cut way back on my smoking and just smoke in the evenings to calm me down and put me to sleep. Without it Im tired but wired and my mind just races and is full of thoughts. I eventually fall asleep without but it's way quicker when I smoke.

If the zombies come I hope to be infected so trt won't be needed then but I get what your saying.

I look similar to my avi right now but muscles aren't hard or very vascular either. In my avi inwas on Epi Andro RX, Trest, and exem.
I'm currently 195 and around 13-15% so no abs but I can kinda see the outline or a bulge where they should be.

Would smoking only in the evenings still be bad say .5-1 gram a day max. Not against dropping it all together but since I don't drink or do any other drugs MJ is all I have left to chill out on.

As you can see I'm ready to take the steps to get this shit figured out or to just start on trt.
Just don't know if it's worth my time to try anything but trt since I still plan to run cycles here and there but maybe they wouldn't be needed with everything working properly and who knows maybe I'm fine and the way I feel and the feelings I have are just all in my head.


Do you no longer smoke MJ at all now?
If so do you drink or found something else to take drinking or smokings place while out on the town or chilling with friends.

[Scope75]

going vegan for a week is cake, i did it for a year and a half. never ate meat for 7 years. lol. you seem set in your ways so i presume quitting weed might be out of the question. if quitting weed is out of the question youll prob want TRT... but with TRT you will definitely need long term exemestane

so youll be taking that or another estro control regardless.

unless you use gel. which sucks with GF and gave my dad a gnarly ass rash

Would be easy but I have a fridge full meat that need to be ate or it'll go to waste. Plus I'm really not looking to fool the test either.
Quoting smoking can be done but id like to be keep it in the evenings only or maybe 3-4 evenings a week if once a day into much.
I won't do gels because I have a GF and my dad said they suck and once he started pinning he felt way better and more energized.

[weekend]

i smoke. i smoked last night. when i smoke by myself i smoke .05 grams.

i'm on a heavy pct with a ton of natty supps. finals right now, taking stimulants relatively often too... like 2.5 mg adderall a couple times a week

i should stop smoking. it's hard to quit. 1 gram is a ton of weed. the half life of THC is over 2 days, so the only way for it to not affect your dopamine is to quit entirely.

i'm also on caber .125 mg 3x a week. tapering down soon as i'm off DAA.

i guess you could say i don't practice what i preach all the time, but i do know marijuana RAPES my libido and erection quality unless i'm on test, in which case it is either neutral or enhanced. When i was on test my girl would look at my boners and say "that looks painful" because it was so engorged. i miss that.

i feel like i'm making muscle gains on this PCT but i really have to pop like 25 mg of levitra to get a boner that is only 75% the quality of being on test. sooo........

[weekend]

evenings only is an improvement, don't get me wrong. with myself i find weed is all or nothing. i have a lot of trouble doing "every other day", i either smoke every day or don't smoke at all...

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as for the gel, i had read that it converts to dht more easily and estrogen less easily. maybe i was wrong. i know that more estro from the gel if you rub it on an area that isn't lean.