OL Msten (Stenabol) and Progainz Epi-Andro (Transdermal) run

[Spank]

Running Msten 20/20/20/20 Split twice per day w/ Transdermal (IL Salvo) Epiandro @ very roughly 333/333/333/333 applied once per day rotating application sites (Traps, upper chest & clavicle area, top of feet, forearm, inside of upper arm. I usually pick 2 not used day prior) Applications sites shaved and exfoliated immediately prior to application.

Support sups:
Iron Labs cycle support (Per label)
Additional Milk Thistle 2000 mg (split twice per day taken with MSten)
Taurine about 2-4 grams/day (More if back pumps/kidneys get mad)
Potassium Gluconate supp minuscule 90mg/day + at least 1 large banana/day (More if back pumps/kidneys get mad)
As much water as I can stomach, aiming for at least a gallon/day
Glucosamine/Chondroitin (per label)
Multi
Fish Oil
Prilosec
ALCAR beginning ~day 10 2g/day (Should be 4g but I'm lazy)
Tadalafil RC

Stats current -Age 28, 5'11, ~199lbs BF% untested but indicative of where my bulking goals have led me coupled with the Holiday meals.

I've been lifting since Summer 2001. Had a short 4 year stint as a fat stoner in my early 20's lol
SERM and AI on hand + emergency support supps in case I start growing titties (Love them on my girl, not a fan of dudes with tits though)

Initial thoughts
First few days gave increased body temperature increased sweating dry mouth (Increased water intake)
Severe pumps/kidney discomfort on Leg day (Squat followed by DL could not finish DL/Weak core to begin with) Increased H20,K, and added Taurine+more core work
Occasional cold chill
Gas
Joint dryness
Mild irritability that needs to be checked on occasion (Emotional enhancement in general) (Stress level is already unhealthy)
Increased libido (Beyond just tadalafil)
My boys do seem to be shrinking

all sides seem to have subsided except for:
Sweating, occasional cold chill, gas, joint dryness (worst when sitting for long periods of time/not currently affecting workouts), mild irritability, mild back pumps/kidney pain that prevent high volume lower back work

Gained 7lbs first week strength went up a little
Week 2 has seen weight maintenance while getting leaner. Feeling of fullness/muscle hardness. "Alpha" feeling. Strength continuing to increase (I run high volume programs and work capacity has increased as well) Starting to get much better pumps. Noticeable mass growth.

Goals were to hit 200 with sub 15% BF-Will test at the end although I feel confident that at this pace I will exceed goals.
I keep a workout log and will update with numbers at the end.
I'm admittedly terrible at logging nutrition, but gain weight easily. Trying to hit protein Macro and keep carbs really low.

[Scope75]

In...
Have a similar stack so I'll follow along.

[Cobalt]

Sounds like a solid stack, should be worth the run.

[Spank]

Today is day 19. Christmas food put me up to 203lbs lol
Workouts have been stellar. Almost unbelievable strength gains that I haven't seen this pronounced for as long as I can remember.
I will say that this has caused me some unexpected problems. I wear dress clothes for work, and dress with well fitting clothes. Well thankfully Christmas brought me some new clothing items because my thighs and chest no longer fit into my clothes. Had to go up a neck size in dress shirts and will need to go up a size in pants. My waist size is not growing as fast as my thighs, which is going to get pretty awkward for dress clothes unless I have them tailored.
I am hesitant to begin cutting mid cycle though. I am impressed.
I am usually pretty sensitive to carbs but this stack has really helped me with gaining LBM versus just getting fatter.
I'm really looking forward to seeing just how far this stack will take me, and even more excited for my next cutting cycle. I am really looking forward to being the biggest guy on the beach.
This stack is really helping me find areas of weakness by increasing my strength so much.
I have not had a dedicated arm day in my routine until recently, and I am really starting to notice that my arms are beginning to prevent my back and chest from really getting fatigued.
My legs are fucking blowing up too!
I have also been lifting more frequently. I used to lift every other day due to working and school, but recently began working from home and being on winter break. I am now lifting 5--6 days /week. Despite not being 100% recovered before my next session I am still stronger each time I hit the same body part. It is really blowing me away. I am going to continue to push the limits of over training until my pct is finished and run a deload week my first week out of PCT then goes balls out again.

[Cobalt]

Just make sure you keep your diet going strong. Going to need those calories to keep on the size and energy.

[weekend]

post up a pic pronto and we can tell you whether to cut or not

[Spank]

Just make sure you keep your diet going strong. Going to need those calories to keep on the size and energy.

post up a pic pronto and we can tell you whether to cut or not

I'll have to get back to you on the photo. I just took a break from working to pop second Msten dose followed by ~1.5 quarts of water, so I'm a little bloated now lol. IMO i have faired much better with Christmas than I did Thanksgiving, so I know the PH's are really allowing me to burn up some food. I have been sort of lazy with cardio lately so I will just go back to my usual cardio and continue eating above normal. I'll see what scheduling will allow as far as getting access to having my body fat measured on Monday.

When measuring body parts (like say one has 18' arms) what is the standard op procedure for that?
Would it be first thing in the am upon waking? Flexed?

I had a great back day yesterday and have spent all day today working (Sitting on my ass). All I can think about is fucking lifting NOW! Instead of being sore and not wanting to move, I feel almost like I'm aching to get some resistance on my my muscles.

The transdermal epi/MSten dose in the AM just has me feeling ready to fuck shit up lol

[GYMnTONIC.com]

Awesome man.

One thing I regret is never having had an Msten transdermal. I would love to see how that would have worked!

[Spank]

Awesome man.

One thing I regret is never having had an Msten transdermal. I would love to see how that would have worked!

I'm running the Msten oral for this go around, but that would be something to consider. Despite gaining solid weight, I feel smaller than ever after I watched some training videos of Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman.
I do have 5 bottles of salvo in a drawer lol... I definitely spent more on myself than anyone else this Christmas thanks to all the craziness....

So on day 20 (12/29/14) I ran a leg day and decided to compare my training numbers from before the cycle began. The reference day is the beginning of a new program of double progression that I had started. Here are the stats.
[edit] To clarify the use of "New" the exercises are the same. The rep scheme is the only change. I had always run 12/10/8/6 type programs then switched to a very brief 5x5x5(Saw strength gains lost endurance) then about a 4 week 5 sets of 12 high volume.(saw endurance gains lost strength) [/edit]

Leg day Breakdown:
Exercise 1: Barbell Back Squats (Probably used belt because my core is weak and my squats suck enough as is)
12/6/14:
135lbs x 12reps
135lbs x 12reps
135lbs x 12reps
135lbs x 11reps
135lbs x 10reps
Total Volume 7695lbs

12/29/14 (W/ belt):
155lbs x 12reps
155lbs x 12reps
155lbs x 12reps
155lbs x 12reps
155lbs x 12reps
Total Volume 9300lbs = +1605lbs over 12/6/14

Exercise 2: Romanian Deadlifts
12/6/14:
185lbs x 6
185lbs x 6
135lbs x 8
135lbs x 8

12/29/14
Dropped from leg day due to back pain.

Exercise 3: Hammer Leg Press (assuming 0lbs sled weight)
12/6/14:
180lbs x 12 2160
230lbs x 10 2300
270lbs x 6 1620
90lbs x 15 1350
Total Volume 7430lbs

12/29/14:
230lbs x 12 2760
255lbs x 10 2550
280lbs x 8 2240
375lbs x 6 2250
Total Volume 9800lbs = +2370lbs over 12/6/14

Exercise 4: Toe raises for the anterior tib
12/6/14:
45lbs x 15
45lbs x 12
45lbs x 12
45lbs x 12

12/29/14:
45lbs x 12
45lbs x 15
45lbs x 12
45lbs x 15

Exercise 5: Smith machine calf raises from a deficit (Assuming bar weight of 15lbs)
12/6/14 Single leg + body weight of ~193 lbs +/-2
15lbs x 10
35lbs x 10
45lbs x 10
Both legs x max set=225lbs (did not write rep # i can guess it was probably 10-15)

12/29/14: Both legs + body weight of 199 lbs +/-2
105lbs x 12
195lbs x 12
245lbs x 10
265lbs x 10
drop set 105lbs x 12

Exercise 6: Leg Extension Single leg
12/6/14:
40lbs x 12
55lbs x 9
45lbs x 10
30lbs x 10

12/29/14:
70lbs x 12
70lbs x 12
60lbs x 12
60lbs x 12

Exercise 7: Kneeling single leg curl machine (Supersetted with exercise 6)
12/6/14:
40lbs x 12
50lbs x 12
50lbs x 5 dropped to 40lbs x 5
30lbs x 12

12/29/14:
65lbs x 12
65lbs x 12
60lbs x 12
55lbs x 12

I am lifting again tonight but have changed my workouts a little now that I can lift more frequently so the results may not translate quite as well for the sake of direct comparison.
The numbers don't lie though. Consistent PR's each week.
I have been experiencing greater fatigue than usual upon waking, which could be the result of Msten being dosed without the epiandro in the evening or the beginnings of over training symptoms so I took yesterday off and watched bodybuilding videos instead of lifting lol.


I have also noticed a strange symptom that is developing. It is the ever so slight bloated feeling, as if my digestive system doesn't want to "flow." I generally run a fiber deficit, which probably isn't helping, so I have supplemented with fiber today and will attempt to eat more fibrous veggies. I'll probably also pop some probiotic enzymes. Even if it doesn't help I'll be able to gross my girlfriend out on the ride to the gym by farting and locking the windows later tonight.
I have noticed that my body will tell me if I am not getting enough water with the Msten. Definitely be conscious of that if you are trying it for your first time.
I will disclaim that my stomach has already been shown to be very sensitive to the most random foods at times, so I expected more digestive sides to be honest.

I'm hesitant to say this, but this is actually my first cycle. I've read specifically that this is a terrible first cycle, and so I don't really want to endorse some kid gobbling this shit up and partying on the weekends, but I am satisfied with the results vs noticeable sides. The joint dryness is either better or I have become used to it.
I guess the most important thing I can share from my experience thus far is that orals are definitely hard on the body, and sides can prevent you from getting more out of your workouts if you don't take the time to listen to your body and manage them.

[Spank]

So I have yet to hit the gym yet because I am waiting for the old lady to get off work to join me.
With the addition of the fiber supplement my digestive sides are feeling better already. I'm really hoping that this cycle will continue to help me identify areas of weakness that I can improve to help me hold onto gains after PCT.
I also felt a little froggy with the fatigue side and added a pm dose of 300mgs oral epiandro to see if that will help with fatigue.
I definitely felt the initial libido boost upon my first oral dose of epiandro. Hopefully I can test out the potential benefits tonight lol.