pTren - Too good to be true?

[AresTS]

Thanks dude

- Valdez

[h2s]

P. Arnold received the sample and will be testing. Will let you guys know when I have an update.

[harbonah]

P. Arnold received the sample and will be testing. Will let you guys know when I have an update.

Cant wait for results!

[DJM]

interested, very!

[h2s]

It is....

Exactly what Pat thought it was, Altrenogest.

Please do not share this information yet. I am having Henryv announce it at prohormoneforum as he has an article being published to his blog on the subect.

[Cobalt]

For those of us in the dark age still, what is this pTren?

[BBG]

For those of us in the dark age still, what is this pTren?

Some compound where you can buy a shit ton of it for very little money, supposed to act like methyl tren but without the sides and liver damage. You'll grow long golden locks and a hammer will fall from the heavens for you to smash your enemies with and you'll be 6'8" and did I mention being endowed with a horses cock?

[h2s]

Messages from Pat:

Allyltrenbolone is more commonly known as altrenogest. In pigs it was very suppressive and not very anabolic


J Anim Sci. 1985 Dec;61(6):1441-7.
Body growth and testicular characteristics of boars fed a synthetic progestogen, altrenogest.
Kluber EF 3rd, Pollmann DS, Davis DL, Stevenson JS.
Abstract
A synthetic progestogen (altrenogest) was fed to 24 Yorkshire X Duroc boars to determine effects on body growth, serum testosterone, and testicular characteristics. Boars from six litters (blocks) were allotted randomly to one of four treatment groups at 12 wk of age. Treatment groups were: controls, altrenogest fed for 3 wk, altrenogest fed for 6 wk and altrenogest fed for 9 wk. Treatment began at 15 wk of age at a daily dose of 20 mg X boar-1. Although there were no differences among treatment groups for gain and feed intake, boars fed altrenogest for 6 and 9 wk tended to consume more feed and were less (P less than .05) efficient than boars fed altrenogest for 3 wk or controls. Boars fed altrenogest for 3, 6 and 9 wk maintained lower (P less than .05) peripheral serum testosterone concentrations than controls from 15 to 24 wk of age. However, serum testosterone increased after altrenogest withdrawal in the 3- and 6-wk treatment groups but did not reach control concentrations by 24 wk. Boars fed altrenogest for 9 wk maintained serum testosterone below 1 ng/ml during the treatment period. Despite lower concentrations of serum testosterone in altrenogest-treated boars, backfat thickness was similar to controls, perhaps suggesting a slight anabolic effect of altrenogest on nutrient partitioning. Testicular weights and volumes at 24 wk decreased (P less than .001) linearly with increased duration of altrenogest feeding. Serum testosterone and estradiol in testicular venous effluent at castration were lower (P less than .01) in altrenogest-treated boars than in controls. These data demonstrate that feeding altrenogest inhibits both testicular growth and steroidogenesis of boars without altering body growth or backfat thickness.

the animal stuff is not very promising

Vet J. 2005 Jan;169(1):113-5.
Effect of prolonged use of altrenogest on behaviour in mares.
Hodgson D, Howe S, Jeffcott L, Reid S, Mellor D, Higgins A.
Source
Faculty of Veterinary Science, University of Sydney, Private Mailbag 4, Narellan Delivery Centre, Narellan, NSW 2567, Australia.

Erratum in
Vet J. 2005 May;169(3):321.
Corrected and republished in
Vet J. 2005 May;169(3):322-5.
Abstract
Oral administration of altrenogest for oestrus suppression in competition horses is believed to be widespread in some equestrian disciplines, and can be administered continuously for several months during a competition season. To examine whether altrenogest has any anabolic or other potential performance enhancing properties that may give a horse an unfair advantage, we examined the effect of oral altrenogest (0.044 mg/kg), given daily for a period of eight weeks, on social hierarchy, activity budget, body-mass and body condition score of 12 sedentary mares. We concluded that prolonged oral administration of altrenogest at recommended dose rates to sedentary mares resulted in no effect on dominance hierarchies, body mass or condition score.

From henry v:

The allyl substituent is just too big and bulky, it'll interfere with androgen receptor binding. Roussel Uclaf did a bunch of tests on the affinity of loads of different steroids for AR/PR/ER, and all of the ones with larger substituents at 17a had awful AR binding. Other studies say the same thing, as do the studies on animals given it.

If it is effective, which it appears to be, then I think it isn't what they say/think it is.

[h2s]

Well I have 100mg of it...tempted to just see what it does for a couple weeks. I am not worried about suppression as I have a fairly serious cycle coming up anyway.

[Cobalt]

Some compound where you can buy a shit ton of it for very little money, supposed to act like methyl tren but without the sides and liver damage. You'll grow long golden locks and a hammer will fall from the heavens for you to smash your enemies with and you'll be 6'8" and did I mention being endowed with a horses cock?

Fucking hell, must spread reps before giving to BBG again....