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    Hi all,

    I am aware that a load of people from PH read this thread. I'm happy to say i'm fully recovered now from the term pfs and have been for the best part of 6 months, in fact every week i feel better and better because i continue with the same healthy lifestyle etc.
    I would like please if someone from PH could copy and paste the following post and put it into the recovery section of PH. I can't do this myself because in order to stop myself from logging in there and reading scary stories, i changed my password and e mail to a fake one that i could never use/remember! I think it's important to give those guys hope as all they are surrounded by is misery. Here it is - i would be grateful if whoever does it replies to confirm it's done. I am never going on there again! :

    I am English, which was my original PH login. I am happy to say i am now fully recovered, despite being among the worst affected. I reflect on my posts now and i see that when i was saying i was maybe 70% recovered, that i wasn't at all. Recovering has been very hard, yet actually, with the benefit of hindsight, it should be a relatively easy journey for anyone.
    I will outline here how to recover, but most reading this will not believe me, because you want -subconsciously- your condition to be this mythical PFS thing that is not your "fault". A small percentage will believe me and you will recover relatively easily and quickly, because actually this illness and also recovery is founded in belief. Here is a list outlining what created it and what you do to get out of it, and before you start on it, feel free to go back through all my posts on PH under my screen name English - you will see that i decided to recover, and then did, and by the way, another guy "entropy" did the same thing same time with me, and guess what, he's fine too now:

    1- PFS begins when you become worried/concerned that your dick suddenly doesn't work after the lowering of DHT results in an imbalance of estrogen/testosterone, and probably a host of other chemicals in your body, and you realise that you are not so taken by attractive females
    2- You either shit yourself and become ridden with anxiety and "crash" or you gradually get yourself deeper into depression and start suffering from anxiety related stuff
    3- If you are anything like me and a shit load of others, you start reading all the horror stories on the web and on PH, and one day your fine, the next you have sunk into a deep depression and suffer servere anxiety. These things reduce your sex hormones, just as these conditions do in any normal person, except you have started from an already imbalanced state, so it's a perfect storm, 50% of your own creation, well done us.
    4- As a result of this perfect storm, your skin, muscle/build, suffer and your sexual issue worsen, you lose feeling in your dick, your balls get smaller and often even your penis changes shape due to a mixture of low sex hormones and low receptivity to those hormones. Your anxiety worsens, you think your life is over, and some end their lives, sadly.
    5- It does not have to be that way, getting your life back is a simple process, however to you it will seem very hard at the time. I hope my words make it easier. Many have recovered fully from a similar set of steps, like cdnuts, chi, mitch and i read about 30 similar recoverys on PH and the wider web all told. The thing is though, almost none of them understood why they recovered, yet the common denominators formed a very clear plan, which i followed and later i happened across a book that basically told me why it worked. If i had read that book immediately, my journey would have been much easier. It took me around 18 months to fully recover, it would have took me 6 to 12.
    6- Read this book, do it ASAP: "You are the placebo" by Joe Dispenza.
    7- Now you understand how deep depression/anxiety/unhappiness can downregulate hundreds of good genes and create real physiological changes, now you can believe in why this recovery plan works.
    8- Now begin your recovery plan. I will tell you what i did in the following steps, however, amazing as it may sound to you guys grasping at straws and searching for chemicals or herbs or trying to follow CDNUTS plan to the letter, thinking that you must take pro-hormones, you don't particularly need to every single thing, you can leave some out and insert others that you like better, it doesn't matter, as it is about switching back on the downregulated genes and getting back your hormone profile via a healthy body and mind. Your DHT expression is fine, and you have everything you need to recover. I am not going to re-write the book i mentioned, so you must read that to understand my points here.
    9- Mentally relax, drop the battle, it's going to be fine, just understand that it will take time, you must get your thoughts slowly back to what they used to be, looking forward to stuff. Mentally rehearse playing your favourit sports etc. - read the book!
    10- Eat as organic as possible, drop sugar and all processed foods
    11- Exercise, mostly weights as you will eventually gain muscle and you will gain confidence as a result. Head towards the 5x5 type workout, however still do cardio, because this is about full body fitness
    12- Join a club, socialise, laugh, watch comedies. Personally i joined a table tennis club and i love it now
    13- Have a project, succeed at work as best you can, laugh at yourself, and basically live life like your fine, you are fine you crazy prick, you just need to improve each week!
    14- Personally i rotated the t boosting herbs and at one point - as per this post - i boosted my hormone balance by taking low dose AI. Nothing wrong with expediting the hormone process if you are smart and cautious. Don't take just E lowering herbs, you need to balance them out with others have a different action. But the bottom line that you don't need to take any at all. For me they have been a mental crutch and probably not much more.

    NOTE - don't do anything that can harm you because you don't need to take big risks. Personally i dabbled with prohormones but got scared each time i used them for more than a week due to them apparantly being suppressive, so i binned them. My recovery had absolutely nothing to do with the handful of days i took them. Many guys are obsessed by them because CD took them, however these guys ignore all the other recovery stories that didn't involve them. This is because the condition makes you crazy/depressed/anxiety ridden, and in this state the human way is to look for a silver bullet.

    Seriously guys, it is as easy as that. The easiest yet also the hardest thing in the world is to simply drop the mental battle and just go about your day, yet that is the biggest component, add that to time, a great diet and lifestyle, laughter, a project, family, friends etc. and you will recover. If you don't believe me, sadly you won't. Belief doesn't happen over night though, you can create it by reading these words and those of other recovery stories, stop reading scary words, develop your recovery plan that you believe in, then over a period of months, you will notice tiny signs of improvements, maybe your skin, maybe a small sexual improvement, or in energy, this adds more belief and your regimen intensifies, and like a snowball you grow back to your old self.

    How am i now? I am back to my old self. Out of 30ish symptoms, i just now have achy feet. I lost alot of mass including feet and hands and my feet never quite returned to normal. CD still has tinitus (one of the biggest causes of tinnitus is stress) I also have maybe a few more wrinkes on my face than i would have had, however i look pretty good again, i am a new father to a 3 month old boy, my girlfriend is 15 years younger than me and i have a great life. I am also quite wealthy now as one of the things i did after getting this bullshit term pfs was to say to myself "fuck this, if i am going feel shit for years then i am at least gunna create something to show for it when i am better" I did, and a business i started during this period is now worth millions.

    What i am saying is that you have a choice of how you respond to this. For example when i felt so shit i slept no more than 2 broken hours a night, and my body shook all day from anxiety, my mind was fogged, and recall bursting into tears once when i couldn't peel an egg (all this alongside losing over 2 stone of muscle and not being able to get it up) - what did i do? I booked a weeks walking holiday in Wales which i knew would force me to walk, to talk, to do. I swam in the sea every day, sometimes in the dark. I still have a cold shower every morning. I did a shit load of crazy stuff, that in itself was largely unnecessary, but i did it all to move my focus to recovery, to a plan, to a mission which allowed me to ignore my symptoms because i had a plan to get rid of them.
    Most of it is mental, but it takes many months, sometimes a year or two of doing the right thing to finally achieve the correct mental state that allows your body to follow. You don't realise how far you've gone into the wrong mindset until finally you're recovered, so you need patience.

    Above all, relax, stop making such a fucking meal of it. Together you crazy fuckers are collectively taking everyone down together, get a grip, get real, it's not all over for you.

    Finally, i am nearly 41, have a broken back which limited what i could do. I was one of the eldest, which helped me because i have lived a bit and i knew that just because everyone in a particular group is saying the same thing, it does not necessarily make it so. This is pack mentality and the guys that break it can follow a new route. Many of you guys are in your 20's / early 30's so physically you are in a better position to recover, there is no reason for you not to.

    So step 1- read that book.............

    I hope this helps some people out there.

    Oh, and just to be clear, i am not going to answer a single question. If you have questions, it is because your mind is beset by doubt, depression, anxiety and you're looking for a silver bullet, or your looking for reassurance that this or that particular symptom will go away. These are behaviours you must get rid of. Did you look for reassurance every 10 seconds when you were healthy? No, so i am not going to continue this unhealthy process by joining in on a Q+A. Everything you need to recover is written above because it is not an exact thing, you have to make your own plan, find your own belief, do it your way, but always with healthy mind, body, lifestyle type of approach. Don't ask, because i won't reply, in fact i probably won't even read your question because nowadays i don't do forums for months at a time. I wish you all the very best though. Not luck, you don't need that.
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    Good read man. Very well thought out. Thank you.

    Also I like #10- Something I need to do. Cut out salts, processed foods, sugars and all the crap. Night and day difference when you do this. It is definitely more expensive to eat clean and healthy, but def worth the investment
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    great read English, I'm certain i'll be right there behind you and recovered in no time, and have had immeasurable help from him, CD and a few others on this forum. And in the meantime, life is fucking great regardless... as he said, the hardest and easiest thing to do is to stop stressing and let this thing consume you.

    Im also half way through 'You are the Placebo' and it is a fucking incredible read that I would recommend to anyone, dealing with health issues or otherwise. It really turns what you thing about being healthful right on its head and teaches how you can up regulate hormones from a biological perspective. Really makes you think outside the box.

    Congrats again English!
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    Congrats Man! - I guess at this point, blood test numbers dont matter
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    I am taking what English said about the mental part very seriously.

    But I am also picking up on number 10 as well. What he's saying about eating health is obviously really important. What's catching my eye the most is the avoiding sugars. At this time we have a guy who put a puzzle together to show cutting out sugar specifically can be found in almost every recovery story from this issue. It's becoming more clear now as to how much our guts come into play as well as our minds.

    It's becoming clear that low or altered hormones have very little to do with long term symptoms associated with DHT inhibitors

    Awesome post English. What I got the most from this is its a mental plus diet (gut) issue we are talking about here. Our Hormones are fine once a few months goes by as far as their ratios are concerned but they are not working in the long term because of our minds plus our inbalenced guts.

    Fix the mind and the gut fix this issue.

    Screw a raw diet or paleo, I think the way to go is a organic meat plus organic veggies diet ONLY. It's hard as fuck but I'm doing it. Period
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 alpha victim View Post
    I am taking what English said about the mental part very seriously.

    But I am also picking up on number 10 as well. What he's saying about eating health is obviously really important. What's catching my eye the most is the avoiding sugars. At this time we have a guy who put a puzzle together to show cutting out sugar specifically can be found in almost every recovery story from this issue. It's becoming more clear now as to how much our guts come into play as well as our minds.

    It's becoming clear that low or altered hormones have very little to do with long term symptoms associated with DHT inhibitors

    Awesome post English. What I got the most from this is its a mental plus diet (gut) issue we are talking about here. Our Hormones are fine once a few months goes by as far as their ratios are concerned but they are not working in the long term because of our minds plus our inbalenced guts.

    Fix the mind and the gut fix this issue.

    Screw a raw diet or paleo, I think the way to go is a organic meat plus organic veggies diet ONLY. It's hard as fuck but I'm doing it. Period
    Meats and veggies = Paleo, for the most part.

    And low or altered hormones are most definitely part of the problem. Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it is the hallmark of on going issues for these guys. That's why alot of them are ending up here, at a forum dedicated to using/optimizing hormones.

    It's been mentioned before, but I'll say it again. Start using holosync. English found it to be very helpful indeed. It's one of the best ways to get your head in check while simultaneously doing all the other things you need to be doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Meats and veggies = Paleo, for the most part.

    And low or altered hormones are most definitely part of the problem. Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it is the hallmark of on going issues for these guys. That's why alot of them are ending up here, at a forum dedicated to using/optimizing hormones.

    It's been mentioned before, but I'll say it again. Start using holosync. English found it to be very helpful indeed. It's one of the best ways to get your head in check while simultaneously doing all the other things you need to be doing.
    Yes i forgot to mention Holosync which has been brilliant and i will continue to use it until i finish the course. I also meditate without it too quite often. And as CD said, hormones are a key component, and that is why i came here too, although IMO your hormones will pretty quickly find normal balance if you stick to the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 alpha victim View Post
    I am taking what English said about the mental part very seriously.

    But I am also picking up on number 10 as well. What he's saying about eating health is obviously really important. What's catching my eye the most is the avoiding sugars. At this time we have a guy who put a puzzle together to show cutting out sugar specifically can be found in almost every recovery story from this issue. It's becoming more clear now as to how much our guts come into play as well as our minds.

    It's becoming clear that low or altered hormones have very little to do with long term symptoms associated with DHT inhibitors

    Awesome post English. What I got the most from this is its a mental plus diet (gut) issue we are talking about here. Our Hormones are fine once a few months goes by as far as their ratios are concerned but they are not working in the long term because of our minds plus our inbalenced guts.

    Fix the mind and the gut fix this issue.

    Screw a raw diet or paleo, I think the way to go is a organic meat plus organic veggies diet ONLY. It's hard as fuck but I'm doing it. Period
    5 alpha you are doing the thing i predicted and looking for one key element. You shouldn't take one or two key elements from it, because the fix is holistic, boring as it sounds. The gut is of course incredibly important, but it's impossible to have a healthy gut without a healthy mind and body, achieved via all the elements listed. Like CD said, the diet i suggest is virtually paleo. I have cut out gluten mostly from my diet too so it is pretty close, but you don't need to dwell on diet or any singular point, just create your own plan and ensure your diet is a healthy one, which should always mean fruit, veg, meat. With your meat ideally from proven sources and grass fed beef etc. and your veg organic if possible. Consume high quality saturated fat and if you can't bring yourself to remove bread completely then try to restrict it to the evenings with or after your main meal and eat bread made from the grains of old like spelt or sorghum. The key thing is to remove pesticides, simple processed sugars, processed foods and non complex carbohydrates from your diet as much as possible without being mental over it. Eat fruit but maybe avoid the very sweet ones, so berries are often good to eat.
    Lowish fibre, high saturated fat, high protein, complex carbs result in high sex hormones, but only when coupled with exercise (not too much) and a healthy relaxed mind that 99% of the time is locked on a present task that you like and want to do/finish, looking forward to something, or replaying a happy event where you achieved something or made someone laugh or whatever.
    You could have a semi healthy diet and still recover in quick time if you replaced your worried mind with 100% of the thoughts you had before you ever took fin, but that is not possible overnight, so work on the mind day by day, and start forgetting all this talk about illness, just get on with your life in a constant and consistently healthy way, day after day. Once you get your plan together, stick to it and do not veer off course. Don't come back to forums or start researching for other ideas, just commit to a healthy hollistic way of life and believe me, you will end up with a healthy gut too!!
    Look at what Chi did - he covered all his mirrors up because he had developed a self image complex. He broke the mental ticks and along with a seriously busy recovery plan -similar to CD and myself, he moved his thoughts to nothing but positive thoughts of recovery or other daily life stuff. He moved his mind from obsessive negative patterns to positive go getter stuff.
    So if anything is key, the mind is, but you can't heal your mind without a great deal of work, patience and time away from the written word and all other reminders of illness. The book i suggest will set you down the right path mentally, and then you can select other tools such as holosync to help you achieve the mental states the book explains and evidences as the states of recovery. ORDER THE BOOK NOW.

    I only popped back to see if someone had posted my recovery story on PH - can you or someone else do that please?

    I'll be back here in a few months and wish you and any others trying to heal from whatever all the very best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swill View Post
    great read English, I'm certain i'll be right there behind you and recovered in no time, and have had immeasurable help from him, CD and a few others on this forum. And in the meantime, life is fucking great regardless... as he said, the hardest and easiest thing to do is to stop stressing and let this thing consume you.

    Im also half way through 'You are the Placebo' and it is a fucking incredible read that I would recommend to anyone, dealing with health issues or otherwise. It really turns what you thing about being healthful right on its head and teaches how you can up regulate hormones from a biological perspective. Really makes you think outside the box.

    Congrats again English!
    Glad you like it Swill, like you say it should be read by anyone, particularly the healthy, as then when you do find yourself in a spot of bother, you will have a fuller understanding of how best to deal with it. I've not doubt at all you will be fine, just stick to your plan, in cd's words "like a mule".

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    Quote Originally Posted by English View Post
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    I only popped back to see if someone had posted my recovery story on PH - can you or someone else do that please?

    I'll be back here in a few months and wish you and any others trying to heal from whatever all the very best.
    Propecia Help is down for maintenance until Sept 22nd. I log on periodically to research specific topics. Just about everything has been discussed at one point in time on the website so though it can be negative, it really is a great reference tool. In the future, I plan to give back to that community as you and others have too. I dont want to mention my name on here as I dont want to link SS with PH.

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