TRT Options

[Jelisej]

Is this something that can be perscribed? Can't seem to find any OTC

It depends from endo I think, in Europe they prescribe it sometimes- dont know how it is in USA or Canada, but it can be imported without problems I think.

[Freepressright]

Is this something that can be perscribed? Can't seem to find any OTC

Andractim - RX only

[tallstraw]

God damn I'm glad Jelis is here

[Haritec]

Haretic..they aren't gonna give you androgel, and test cyp man...it's one or the other..and your best bet is the cyp..if you can find a doc for that..keep him on retainer lol

Well I am definitely going to go with injectables as the first option. My thought was to see two different doctors and get two different prescriptions - one for gel and one for injectable. I imagine there are rules against that - but I am not sure how effective they are at finding out that kind of data ? I would probably fill one at my local pharmacy - and choose a legit online pharmacy in Canada for the other - just a thought.

[Haritec]

Defintely good idea, as matter of fact even adding it a week or two before would be wise.
I think 50 mg (oral) of both are ok to start with and then if needed increase pregnenolone, with transdermal I think around 15-20 mg is ok to start with.
Excessive DHEA converts to E2 a lot, so thats why I'm cautious with increasing DHEA more than 50 mg, pregnenolone also converts to DHEA as well, so increasing preg should cover it all- when progesterone reaches a top than you know thats enough. Only possible confusion can happen- when HCG dosage is to high it also raises progesterone a lot, which can make dosing of preg/hcg bit difficult.


For raising DHT there is DHT cream/gel.

So ... if I am understanding this - the thought would be to go with Test cyp and then some number of pumps of dermacrine - which should add some testosterone due to conversion of DHEA, as well as provide pregnelone. Did someone not also suggest at one point that dermacrine applied to the scrotum will increase DHT - DHEA converts to testosterone and enzymes in scrotum convert testosterone to DHT ?

[Jelisej]

So ... if I am understanding this - the thought would be to go with Test cyp and then some number of pumps of dermacrine - which should add some testosterone due to conversion of DHEA, as well as provide pregnelone. Did someone not also suggest at one point that dermacrine applied to the scrotum will increase DHT - DHEA converts to testosterone and enzymes in scrotum convert testosterone to DHT ?

I think testosterone and DHT conversion from DHEA is pretty much insignificant, if anything DHEA converts a lot more to E2 (at least in men), keeping DHEA in decent levels has some benefits like for immune system and apparently antiageing benefits, both everything over the top will likely end up into E2. So I suggest only little bit of DHEA, and more of pregnenolone as pregnenolone has a lot of benefits on its own and it cascades into DHEA (and other hormones in line).

Also I would suggest you to do one thing at the time- start with injectable testosterone (cyp or enthanate) get testosterone levels steady and then add bit of transdermal testosterone or even DHT, otherwise it can be confusing and also testosterone can be bit supressive to cortisol and DHT can be a supressive towards cortisol a lot- so after testosterone levels and cortisol levels are OK then add DHT.

[wagon241]

I've always looked at the low dosage of test delivered by things like AndroDerm and Androgel and wondered how in the hell you could get decent results from them. Anyone have any decent numbers from transdermal TRT?

I read a bunch of reviews on topical TRT products and these guys were cheering to get 300-400. I was lucky if I found one or two guys who said they were even around 600.

If I'm going to the trouble of TRT, I want my values between 700 and 1,000. Like Hank said, why be average?

I used to be against TRT and felt like people just didn't do enough diet, exercise and supplementation. But as I'm in my mid 30s and feelings whole lot less virility than I used to, and with a woman who has more sex drive than I've ever seen (expects it at least twice a day, every day), I'm thinking TRT's going to have to be in my future.

As stated above, I have been on Androgel 1.62 for over two years. I have the option of the trt injections, however with everything I have learned from people like Jells over the years, on various boards like Eric from PP, I chose to go the derma route. At 3 pumps per day, about 61mgs, I maintain an average total test of 1000-1200. But as jells stated, it's the free test(unbounded) that counts when it comes to TRT. With out AG1.62 my free would drop to as low as 27. With natural supps I could get it up to 40's at best. Scale is 40-250 usually. With 3 pumps I maintain around 200-210. HUGE difference in lifestyle change. As stated in my first post, the reason I prefer androgel is I do get a decent conversion to DHT. Never been flagged high, but on the upper end. I also stated that the whole "spreading it to others" thing is exaderated a lot! The gel dries so fast, that unless your sweating all over someone it's not an issue. Even if u get a little on your old lady, it ain't gonna hurt, in fact it might put her in the mood!!

[somm]

Andractim - RX only

Just a heads up on this. If you place an order you might want to let your bank know ahead of time. I placed an order and my bank froze my card because of suspicion of fraudulent activity. I called and told them it was ok and they unfroze my card. Also I think this other site may be a bit cheaper but prob not much Genuine Cialis, Levitra, Caverject, Uprima, Viagra, Gynecomastia Treatment and Testerone Gel from the All Saints Clinic, Cyprus but they at least have an email address. The other one didn't.

[Haritec]

Well - since my Test and free test were only in the lower end of the range - my doctor said he can't give me injectable Test due to some kind of regulations they have to follow up here in Canada. He did give me a script for cream from a compounding pharmacy - 100 mg / gram testosterone cream. He prescribed it such that it is based on doing 100 mg a day but told me I could save money and only do 50 mg a day. I have decided F that and am doing the 100 mg a day ( is 50 mg a pump so two pumps ). He also gave me 50 mg a day oral pregnelone. It has been about a week now and think I am starting to see some effects. Workouts have been intense this week but with less DOMS than previous. Also, starting to feel sharper at work - better concentration and focus - and less fatigued in the morning ( alarm was set for 5:15 AM today and got up about 4:20 - figured screw it feel good and awake so lets get at it ).

Suggestion was to do two pumps on my arm at night - I believe I read somewhere more conversion to DHT if applied to scrotum ?

[weekend]

if you wanna maximize your levels, put it on neck, forehead, behind ears, scrotum. mad absorptive areas. if you need more room put on shoulders

yes more DHT with scrotal application but i bet you cant do it every day cause you might get rashy or chaffed.

dont use androgel for 2 days before bloodwork and your levels will be lower than before and he will give you shots.