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    A 1k Club Member Feedback Score 1 (100%) Freepressright's Avatar
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    Epimedium/Icariin - hard to find sources that aren't crap

    I don't know about the others on this board, but I've tried for years to find an epimedium with a respectable amount of icariin that wasn't total garbage. I have never, ever found a 10 or 20-percent concentration that did a DAMN thing in the way of PDE5 inhibition, and or nitric oxide response.

    I recently bought some Powder City 40% icariin, and I swear it's tribulus. It's IDENTICAL to my Liftmode tribulus in appearance, taste, texture and smell. I took 3x the dosage and didn't really get any noticeable results.

    That's disappointing, because not only is icariin a potent natural PDE-5 inhibitor (or so I'm told by people who have had LEGIT 98%) but it's also a documented testosterone mimetic and has some androgenic benefit.

    From what I've learned about epimedium, the higher the concentration of icariin, the more pale and/or yellow it is. The shitty, low-grade stuff is brown like tribulus and gets paler as the concentration increases. The supposed 40% from Powder City is brown as dirt. But I happened to check yesterday and Swanson just started carrying a 50% icariin, which is a huge surprise.

    They had pictures of the capsules, and sure enough, it's to the yellowish side, suggesting it's most likely legit. It's on sale for $19.95 right now, which is a steal if it's really 50%.

    10 grams of 98% will run you around $90.

    The suggested dosage on the 98% is 30mg, 3x daily, for a total of 90mg per day.

    Swanson sells you 30, 300mg capsules. If it's roughly half the strength of the 98%, the math would make sense. The order is in, we'll just have to wait and see what it does, if anything.

    Who around here has tried an icariin-based product that was legit?

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    In the spoon is the Powder City "40%" icariin. In the baggie is Liftmode's 90% tribulus. Looks virtually identical, also tastes and smells the same.

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    In the photograph is Swanson's new 50% -- pale like it should be.

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    I bought some Powder City "Adrafinil", at 3 caps I feel just as sleepy as no caps.

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    That is disappointing. I was told recently Powder City had high quality stuff and made an order. All noots and amino acids though, no herbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan View Post
    That is disappointing. I was told recently Powder City had high quality stuff and made an order. All noots and amino acids though, no herbs.
    I bought some raspberry ketone powder from them and it seems legit, but I'm standing by my theory that this supposed icariin is tribulus.

    I wrote to them, and to their credit, they responded immediately and multiple times saying they were checking with their supplier and test folks. They wanted the lot, batch and QC numbers off the bag. They said that they checked with their supplier and that the test showed it was legitimate (I have no idea if this is or isn't the case. It is what it is).

    I sent them the picture and told them the taste, smell and appearance were identical to my trib. Here was their reply:

    "We did check this against our tribulus as you mentioned it was pretty identical to a competitors, however, there are some very slight taste differences. My supply chain manager did note that most plant extracted powders are going to taste similar for that simple fact."

    I'm still not sure, though. And having tried a number of different extracted powders, I've never, EVER come across two that tasted similar to any remarkable degree.

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    Lift mode made a 95% Icariin. Do they not anymore?

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    Why would you not want to just use low dose Cialis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Lift mode made a 95% Icariin. Do they not anymore?
    Based on the feedback I've seen on it, I've reached the conclusion that it is a crapshoot, for a few possible reasons.

    Fresh, 98% icariin should kick hard. Anyone who tried C*ck Strong by PN will tell you it was up there with pharma.

    I've talked to a person or two who ran LiftMode's and wasn't impressed. And the reviews are not that stellar. That's either because:

    1. It might not be genuine

    OR

    2. The icariin was poorly preserved and perished

    That is a major problem with icariin in high potency. The potency fades if it is not preserved properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.N. View Post
    Why would you not want to just use low dose Cialis?
    The testosterone mimetic properties of the icariin make it more beneficial for an anabolic aid than low-dose Cialis. I have no qualms with low-dose Cialis, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    The testosterone mimetic properties of the icariin make it more beneficial for an anabolic aid than low-dose Cialis. I have no qualms with low-dose Cialis, either.
    You should just use a decent test booster with cialis then....and cialis has been proven to increase testosterone too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.N. View Post
    You should just use a decent test booster with cialis then....and cialis has been proven to increase testosterone too.
    I'm into a myriad of Chinese herbs for testosterone enhancement and have access to all of the Cialis I want, anytime I want it.

    I still would like to add some legit icariin to my herbal cycle rotation. Plus it's always fun finding an herbal that really works.

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