i like to use the following for a preworkout, no sides, no nasty tastes, big pumps.
5g creatine mono, 5g taurine, 1.6 g agmatine sulfate (3 capsules), and 3 caps antaeus thunderbolt
thunderbolt is a good product.
i also like oneiromancer and lipomorph quite a bit.
excited to try the baiba.