Clomid increases test.
One would think with the increased test, it would have an anabolic effect so long as one controls estrogen.
Why doesn't this seem to be the case?
Clomid increases test.
One would think with the increased test, it would have an anabolic effect so long as one controls estrogen.
Why doesn't this seem to be the case?
As far as I'm aware that is the case, isn't it? The dosing of the substance just has massive diminishing returns and higher dosing won't really raise your test to a level that could be matched by exogenous test etc. I would guess that somebody with sub normal test treated with Clomid would find anabolic benefits from the high normal levels of teat.
Cervix stabbing ftw.
for me it is very much anabolic; it brings my t levels from like 450 to 1100... Big difference in the gym and mirror. It just also fucks my night vision and doesn't help my libido.
So if you run clomid as an anabolic, what do you prefer to stack it with to aid in libido? Proviron?
Do you then also run clomid while on cycle?
Clomid is such an interesting compound. And aren't they coming out with androlex or something that is like clomid but with out the estrogen chain?
I learn so much on here, thanks again.
Running Clomid on cycle would be pointless because you'd have to biological processes in play (the cycled compound suppressing your HTPA and the Clomid attempting to restore it, with the cycled compound winning).
As for running Proviron with Clomid, I dunno. The jury's out on just how suppressive DHT might be to the HTPA axis. There is conflicting data on the topic.
But I'd look more at Clomid as a restorative compound and not count on it for an anabolic. That's what you have hormones for.
To further add to the using proviron on cycle thing. None of us would run a DHT prohormone without at least a natty pct. Better safe than sorry, no hormones during pct.
Cervix stabbing ftw.
I dropped proviron in along with clomid and an AI under the care of an endo a couple years back, and it did nothing for libido.
Clomid raised my T to the top of range, but I felt terrible on it. Probably due to the screwy effects it can have on estrogen.
Estrogen control was impossible for me on clomid, and several endo's have indicated to me that this is common for many.
It also fucked my night vision massively as Weekend says, and I still have light sensitivity issues at night to this day because of it.
I know it works great at restoring T levels for many, but from personal experience I would now avoid it like the plague.
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Have you looked into Novaldex? This is supposedly more side effect friendly than clomid. Also, from what I understand, these SERMs will only block the receptor and not actually reduce estrogen in the body. I would expect the aromatase enzyme to increase as a result unless extremestane is used along side. Others on this forum will likely know more as I haven't used a SERM.
@swill: what dosage were you using
@silverstrand: I have experience with nolva and it didn't go well. Side effects are minimal for me at 12.5 mg of clomid daily
He tinkered with doses including 50, 20, 12.5mg a day down to 12.5 EOD and 12.5mg E3D over the course of the year to try and illicit a positive response. Each dose kept my T very high up, and at the same time each dose also made me feel terrible, particularly sexually and emotionally. And as I said, the night vision issues remain over 18 months on and are really unpleasant.
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