Explain the Science of This

[entropy]

Alright. So you've produced a couple studies from some strange corner of the Internet that somewhat suggest Trib effects the androgen receptor(btw that's never been proven in human studies, but some of us here feel it does) . Thats not actually what you said, nor what I called you out in. Here's what you wrote.

You may ask why you felt 75% the first time. I was also taking vitamin D, Zinc, Ômega 3, Magnesium and Tribulus (probably tribulus did the most as it acts on the estrogen receptor

[Brazilianguy]

Alright. So you've produced a couple studies from some strange corner of the Internet that somewhat suggest Trib effects the androgen receptor(btw that's never been proven in human studies, but some of us here feel it does) . Thats not actually what you said, nor what I called you out in. Here's what you wrote.

You may ask why you felt 75% the first time. I was also taking vitamin D, Zinc, Ômega 3, Magnesium and Tribulus (probably tribulus did the most as it acts on the estrogen receptor

If you continue reading I said connecting T to the androgen receptor. The part I said estrogen receptor I wrote wrong.

[entropy]

So rather than correcting me on your typo I get called a piece of shit? Niiiice.

I'm done now. I'm just gonna leave you to do your thing. For future reference, if anyone is reading back through this. I don't agree anything this guy suggests or does to his own body.

[Jelisej]

At last some signs of life on this forum

Guys! Its nice to have a good debate, but lets try be constructive and without insults.

[Thanksgiving]

JJ

Thanks for all your posts and advice.

I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.

I felt about 80-90% in March

I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%

But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.

The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.

I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.

Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.

I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird

I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed

Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.

Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.

Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.

Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.

Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.

Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious

Been on cabergoline consistently.

Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

[Brazilianguy]

So rather than correcting me on your typo I get called a piece of shit? Niiiice.

I'm done now. I'm just gonna leave you to do your thing. For future reference, if anyone is reading back through this. I don't agree anything this guy suggests or does to his own body.

I just said that because it wasn't The first time that you try to say The same thing over and over like a broken record. I just said shit because I'm not an English native speaker so its hard to make a brilliant ironic sentence like you do.

Again there are studies proving what I said about tribulus and panax ginseng.

Just for the record. I never insultes anyone here. I was rude against Entropy because he was being ironic and critic without saying anything good for a while. For The others I'm sorry that I wrote wrong and changed androgen for estrogen. I was too tired and my corrector could've changed it. that's all.

[entropy]

Honestly mate there's nothing good to say about what you do. I don't condone it, cd doesn't condone it, none of the members condone it and you don't listen to the advice you're given. Which begs the question, why are you here?

I might come across as a broken record but the crux of the matter is this.. I'm recovered. You aren't. I consider the things you do and suggest to be harmful and I will continue to repeat that "like a broken record."

Seriously. Go through this guys posts and I don't even think he's one of the pfs guys, apparently it was soy and green tea that got him in this situation? Fruit loop.

[entropy]

JJ

Thanks for all your posts and advice.

I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.

I felt about 80-90% in March

I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%

But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.

The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.

I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.

Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.

I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird

I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed

Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.

Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.

Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.

Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.

Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.

Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious

Been on cabergoline consistently.

Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

Dude. Thats just... Insane. Why!? Why do you guys get yourself in this situation!? You know this is going to be hard work now, right? You're taking so many different things that we just don't know where your hormones are sitting, you've created such a completely artificial hormonal environment. Everything is all over the place. All I can advise is come off one at a time, slowly, taking notes on how you feel and what changes as you remove the many, many drugs you're taking.

This is going to suck for you. Its going to be hella unpleasant, like withdrawal from drugs but eventually you'll find your baseline and stop feeling awful. Then maybe we can give you some advice. Assuming your diet and exercise is flawless?

[Thanksgiving]

Entropy I agree with you. It's too much. I was following CDs routine to the letter and getting very good results.

Then I got greedy and added alpha mass and straight DHEA to the alpha hard phase. And I felt great at first, and then crashed. And then panicked.

I hate it. I'm on way too much stuff right now. I decided to cut out everything except cabergoline, letrozole and Clomid. I'm tapering off Clomid. I like cabergoline a lot to come off so I'll stay on that for now. I take low dose letrozole to regulate my estrogen. I'll come off that last due to high rebound probability and then bridge into an alpha hard phase which will also help control estrogen as I come off letrozole. And then resume CD protocol as I had been.

Fuck. I was so close to a complete recovery and then got greedy with adding those other PHs and then panicked and now am in a bad place. I did two fasts before. I was thinking of fasting again to restore a balance but I don't have the proper situation.

I agree with entropy about being on too much and the need to come off slowly. The other bad thing is that Clomid and progesterone stay in the body a very long time. Is there anyway so could speed up elimination of these compounds? For example we used to take niacin to try to get weed out of the system.

[Brazilianguy]

Honestly mate there's nothing good to say about what you do. I don't condone it, cd doesn't condone it, none of the members condone it and you don't listen to the advice you're given. Which begs the question, why are you here?

I might come across as a broken record but the crux of the matter is this.. I'm recovered. You aren't. I consider the things you do and suggest to be harmful and I will continue to repeat that "like a broken record."

Seriously. Go through this guys posts and I don't even think he's one of the pfs guys, apparently it was soy and green tea that got him in this situation? Fruit loop.

I'm just talking about herbs and vitamins. I'm here to get better results from The herbs because I notice not only better libido But also bigger and ripped muscle mass that stay with me even when I stop taking them. I took saw palmetto and got bad. Now I hope you stop being such an ass.

All that I'm asking is people experience with herbs, If they notice that they did something that make them work even better. I'm not asking you.