Explain the Science of This

[ToniBR]

Not sure, as interaction between them is quite complex- and thyroid hormones and progesterone are quite connected people with low thyroid hormones usually have low progesterone levels- increasing thyroid hormones should also increase progesterone "production" but there are many other situations,
so one thing that is sure is adding thyroid would make better use of progesterone, as it would convert more readily and all hormones would "cascade" better, and would be less aromatisation etc...

I'm not crazy to take progesterone, I asked because I already have high levels of that shit. If t3 won't help than I don't know. I have cold finger tips and feet.

[Jelisej]

I'm not crazy to take progesterone, I asked because I already have high levels of that shit. If t3 won't help than I don't know. I have cold finger tips and feet.

Self-medicating with T3 is not good idea, you need to see a doc or endo and do proper check, otherwise you will do yourself more harm than good.
Another question is why is your progesterone high, that needs to be research as well,
you defintiely need coprehensive blood tests.

[ToniBR]

Self-medicating with T3 is not good idea, you need to see a doc or endo and do proper check, otherwise you will do yourself more harm than good.
Another question is why is your progesterone high, that needs to be research as well,
you defintiely need coprehensive blood tests.

Thanks, brother! I'm doing a compreensive bloodtest actually. I'll post them as soon as have the results. Any specific tests you think that I should add? So far I'm lifting and meditating to keep my body working and my mind in control. Relgion works wonders in these situations.

My progesterone might be high due to past use of steroids and massive stress when I crashed. Could it be? I used nandrolone two years ago, but didnt seem to have major problems from it.

Oh, I took the shitty tamoxifen and some AI trying to melt down a gyno too. Finasteride was the cherry on the cake maybe.

[Jelisej]

JJ
Thanks for all your posts and advice.
I want to come off everything I've been taking and see where my baseline is but I'm hesitant because last time I did this I crashed.
I felt about 80-90% in March
I got on a prohormone cycle and felt 95%
But then started shutting down and did a PCT but felt horrible after.
The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.
In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid
Last time I tried to come off everything I crashed. I was thinking of doing some kind of fast or detox to cleanse my system.
I read your advice about pregnanolone. I don't have access to the pill but have been taking lots of Coconut oil.
Up until last week I was able to have good sex with high dose Viagra but that function shut down after 3 days of progesterone cream.
I had been on alpha hard 11 weeks but since coming off I feel weird
I was on progesterone for a week but stopped two days ago and now am depressed
Was taking appx 50 mg of Clomid per week for 10 weeks. Helped at first but then stopped being as effective.
Was taking raw thyroid, helped at first but then started feeling very tired after taking it.
Stopped taking DHEA 3 weeks ago. Was on for 8 weeks. Helped a lot at first and my energy levels were great but then I think it started converting to E2 and shutting down LH. Adrenals crashed after coming off which is why I tried progesterone.
Been taking micro dose letrozole consistently. Not sure if this helps but E2 is a problem. I take .025 mg daily. Increased dose slightly recently upon coming off progesterone cream and DHT.
Have been on LDN for 14 weeks. It increased my focus and semen volume at first but made me very tired and achy. This could be contributing to my fatigue. Planning on discontinuing.
Been on seligiline on and off. Some days it makes me feel great but if I take it too often I get anxious
Been on cabergoline consistently.
Perhaps this post helps anyone in a similar predicament. I want to come off everything and see where my baseline is but I am very concerned about interactions and rebound effects.

Your self-medication program as it makes no sense to me,
also cabergoline can make person feeling wak, falling asleep all the time and some other symptoms that are similar with low adrenal output- so maybe that cause you too feel like having "adreal crash"?

Bro' you know what I'm going to say to you- you need comprehensive blood test and appointment with doc, it will be lot cheaper-
by now you must have spend a lot of money with no avail (as many others on this forum).
So, best thing is to start from scratch, do lot of bloodtests etc...

[Jelisej]

Thanks, brother! I'm doing a compreensive bloodtest actually. I'll post them as soon as have the results. Any specific tests you think that I should add? So far I'm lifting and meditating to keep my body working and my mind in control. Relgion works wonders in these situations.
My progesterone might be high due to past use of steroids and massive stress when I crashed. Could it be? I used nandrolone two years ago, but didnt seem to have major problems from it.
Oh, I took the shitty tamoxifen and some AI trying to melt down a gyno too. Finasteride was the cherry on the cake maybe.

Meditating is an excellent idea- if you're calm of if you found some kind of inner peace you made an big step forward, that is probably most important step.

High progesterone could be for a number of reasons, maybe was there all the time unspotted- Congenital adrenal hyperplasia;
if you're testicles are failling (both LH and HCG will raise progesterone) or your body is trying to produce more cortisol but cortisol gets used quickly, there are number of other possibilities but lets not speculate.

TSH
fT3
fT4
Progesterone Cortisol
LH E2 Total testosterone
SHBG Albumin, Prolactin
Also would be nice to see DHEA(s), Reverse T3
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies (TPOAb)
Thyroglobulin Antibodies (TgAb)

thats from hormones, there are other stuff that would be good to see: insulin, vit d,total blood count, ACTH stimulation test would give you a verdict on your adrenals.
Not sure if I missed something, anyone?

[Cdsnuts]

Reading this thread made my head hurt. The things you guys do to yourselves .. I can't even

[Jelisej]

Reading this thread made my head hurt. The things you guys do to yourselves .. I can't even

You've been there before.
Please be constructive bro'.

[ToniBR]

Meditating is an excellent idea- if you're calm of if you found some kind of inner peace you made an big step forward, that is probably most important step.

High progesterone could be for a number of reasons, maybe was there all the time unspotted- Congenital adrenal hyperplasia;
if you're testicles are failling (both LH and HCG will raise progesterone) or your body is trying to produce more cortisol but cortisol gets used quickly, there are number of other possibilities but lets not speculate.

TSH
fT3
fT4
Progesterone Cortisol
LH E2 Total testosterone
SHBG Albumin, Prolactin
Also would be nice to see DHEA(s), Reverse T3
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies (TPOAb)
Thyroglobulin Antibodies (TgAb)

thats from hormones, there are other stuff that would be good to see: insulin, vit d,total blood count, ACTH stimulation test would give you a verdict on your adrenals.
Not sure if I missed something, anyone?

I already made all these and a couple others. The results should be ready in the next weeks. My sex department actually improved quite a bit in the last weeks. Funny how I achieved that mostly by controling my mind, but my physical sides and ability to think is still severly impaired.

[Jelisej]

I already made all these and a couple others. The results should be ready in the next weeks. My sex department actually improved quite a bit in the last weeks. Funny how I achieved that mostly by controling my mind, but my physical sides and ability to think is still severly impaired.

At some point we all start having issues, there are few that are exceptions, thats just a life.
At least, it seems that you are going in right direction.
Take one step at a time, dont put pressure on yourself.

[ToniBR]

At some point we all start having issues, there are few that are exceptions, thats just a life.
At least, it seems that you are going in right direction.
Take one step at a time, dont put pressure on yourself.

I agree! Actually things weren't so perfect right before fin to be honest. But anyway, I'm willing to put things on the right track now to fix the most. I'm not following blindly any protocol since I know the wrong things will make me worse and hinder my recovery. This is why I'm investing everything I have in the right blood tests and right drugs if necessary.

I'm thankful for your help, might thank you personally when I finally escape from this hell. Any kind words or will to help makes all the difference now.