Explain the Science of This

[Cdsnuts]

Nope. Both English and myself found that being quite private about the personal side of things minimised the psychological impact just because we weren't dwelling on things. I'm not really sure where the idea came from but we definitely found it to be a turning point. If you look real carefully there's a point where cd just stopped talking/thinking about it.. Right before he got better. Your mind is super powerful.

This is the very reason I suggest a meditation routine as part of the overall regimen. It is the one thing that most overlook

[Thanksgiving]

I agree with both of you. I stopped posting on PH a long time ago and typically I only ask questions on here.

I think this progesterone episode has me feeling all emotional lol I feel stupid writing all this shit but I have gotten some valuable feedback.

Entropy, I'm curious to hear more about your recovery if you'd be willing to share.

CD, what forms of meditation did you do besides holosync? I have (5) 30 minute tracks but I am not sure how to use. Track 1 is the dive, am I supposed to listen to that every day before moving on to immersion? And then there is immersion 1.5, 0.5, and 0.3. What is the proper progression?

[Thanksgiving]

I'm really fucking concerned/confused about my decision to use progesterone.

On Saturday July 25 I took it in the morning and felt incredible. Better than ever. Spontaneous erections all day.

Sunday July 26 I took it in the morning and began noticing brain fog

Monday the 27 it was a little bit worse

I didn't take it Tuesday the 28 and felt horrible. Couldn't get hard with a girl.

Wednesday the 29 through Monday August 3 I took twice a day. Was ok Wednesday-Friday. Saturday managed only a half erection and Monday couldn't get hard at all. So I stopped taking.

And now I feel horrible. I had gyno surgery so I don't think I can get gyno but my nipples are really puffy and I have bad acne flare ups on my face and my mood is seriously horrible. You see me writing all this emotional shit, it's not me. And my dick is once again dead as it's ever been.

This brings my back to my question. Is there anything I can do to eliminate this shit faster? Do I need to start taking it again and slowly wean off?

My mental state/anxiety is horrible right now. I'm scared because I have no idea what's going on.

Keep in mind that I took this for 6 months straight with great results 2 years ago, thought I knew what I was doing.

I hate being confused. Thanks again for the support. Really want to detox my body right now.

[Jelisej]

There is always a reason for "issues" the human body is built to perform not to break down for no good reason. These reasons are different for everyone but they all have a cause and they all have a fix.

Ageing?
Stress in life, which sometimes cant be helped?
Hereditary diseases.... There are lot of situations that we are helpless,
in any case if person is not feeling well we cant hold a grudge agains him or judge him by his ilness (at least IMO), we can try to help him or not
sometimes they are astray and it takes long time to put them on right put, sometimes they get lost in widerness, but for us-
we can eiteher try to help them or not;

and how many people on this forum do what they should not do?
how many people use or have used stuff they should not?

"He who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Jelisej]

I'm really fucking concerned/confused about my decision to use progesterone.
On Saturday July 25 I took it in the morning and felt incredible. Better than ever. Spontaneous erections all day.
Sunday July 26 I took it in the morning and began noticing brain fog
Monday the 27 it was a little bit worse
I didn't take it Tuesday the 28 and felt horrible. Couldn't get hard with a girl.
Wednesday the 29 through Monday August 3 I took twice a day. Was ok Wednesday-Friday. Saturday managed only a half erection and Monday couldn't get hard at all. So I stopped taking.
And now I feel horrible. I had gyno surgery so I don't think I can get gyno but my nipples are really puffy and I have bad acne flare ups on my face and my mood is seriously horrible. You see me writing all this emotional shit, it's not me. And my dick is once again dead as it's ever been.
This brings my back to my question. Is there anything I can do to eliminate this shit faster? Do I need to start taking it again and slowly wean off?
My mental state/anxiety is horrible right now. I'm scared because I have no idea what's going on.
Keep in mind that I took this for 6 months straight with great results 2 years ago, thought I knew what I was doing.
I hate being confused. Thanks again for the support. Really want to detox my body right now.

There is nothing confusing about using progesterone- as every single person said it- dont use it.

You can treat yourself by how you feeling, it simply does not work well- after so many years you should understand that well.

Your mental state and anxiety is a big part result of how are you thinking; to change that it will take long time and you need to work on it
stop looking for a magic pill, as it does not exist,

now, you need to tell us in that period of 6 months when you felt great, what were you doing and what things made you feel good (both mentally and physically).

[ToniBR]

Yeah mental state has been bad lately. I had achieved at least a situation where I could have sex and relationships and not be lonely. And now that has been taken away from me again, mentally it feels like I'm back at the beginning. But I did it to myself.

I am from United States but currently living in South America and don't know where to get a blood test here? Any help is appreciated. My Spanish is decent but not fluent.

Also, besides fasting, what can I do to cleanse my system of all these compounds? I know it has a lot to do with metabolism.

And is it possible that cabergoline could actually be hurting my libido? I'm scared to come off it right now due to my recent fuck up with progesterone cream. Concerned about prolactin.

Two years ago, taking only cabergoline, my test went from 340 to 670 in 8 weeks. Estrogen rose also but I am convinced it does something positive. Also cleared up brain fog.

I went from having things relatively under control in March, to wacko, to relative stability, to now completely fucked up again.

Thanks for all the help guys. I appreciate the CONSTRUCTIVE advice so much. I hate to sound negative and like a complainer, thanks for bearing with me.

Where are you living? If you live in Brazil blood tests are easy to get and not that expensive. You don't need a prescription for them.

May I ask why you took cabergoline and dhea? Where prolactin high and dhea low? I'm asking because my first bloods showed high and above range levels of dhea, cortisol, progesterone and estradiol, which means that if I did the same thing you did I would probably be many right now.

And cabergoline DOES NOT lower prolactin. Even with high progesterone my prolactin is still mid range, so no point using cabergoline unless you need it.

[silverstrand]

JJ


The last few months have been so up and down. I'm taking too much stuff and want to restore baseline.

In the last month I've taken
Alpha hard
Clomid
Micro dose letrozole
Low dose naltrexone
Progesterone cream
Cabergoline
Selegiline
DHEA
Viagra
Cialis
Raw thyroid

In one month, you have tried a lot of compounds. To let you know, I bought Letrozole, Proviron, and Novaldex within the last couple months. Tell you what, last night I threw it all in the trash without trying any of it, except for some proviron for a month. I'm sticking with Andractim and Androhard while also using herbs, diet, and exercise. Every person who has healed used natural methods to get there. I'm putting my faith in their experiences and committing myself to as natural recovery as possible. The way you are approaching things will make your head yo yo from one thing to the next and add a tremendous amount of stress. I know because I'm living it. I took a step back to take a look these drugs and it struck me, NOTHING from Big Pharma is intended to heal or cure the body; rather, their products make us into long term customers by keeping the body out of balance. I'm even thinking of dropping Andractim which is a bioidentical form of DHT (However, I do like the slimming effect it has had on my mid-section/the application area). Hope this helps.

[silverstrand]

This is the very reason I suggest a meditation routine as part of the overall regimen. It is the one thing that most overlook

CD,
On top of this, how do you feel about periodic fasts? I find 3 day fasts to be rather easy and I've read that 3 days is the minimum for the immune system to recycle itself and reduce overally body inflimation. I'm thinking, a 3 day fast every month or every other month is much easier to maintain versus 5 day plus fasts. Also, 3 days is much less stressful to think about mentally. I might try for longer periods but I'd like your opinion since you've done exepectionally long fasts.

[Thanksgiving]

@Silverstrand

Have you done any 3 day fasts? I ask because I want to do a fast right now but don't have a month to spend fasting. In the past I have done a 30 day water fast and a 10 day water fast. I was reviewing my notes last night. I logged every day of the fast and 20 days after. I felt so great after the fast, and all I was taking was T boosters and nystatin/probiotics. I noticed that I started feeling worse once I added in DHT and cabergoline. Interesting. What are the thoughts on a 3 day fast? I may do this to detox.

@ToniBR I'm in I know little about healthcare here

@JJ I felt great during that 6 months. I had blood tests in August, October, and December.

In August was my baseline with T levels of 340 and E2 at 26. LH and FSH were 3-4 each.

I then began taking cabergoline and 8 weeks later I was at T 670 E2 at 35 and LH/FSH the same

I then began taking .01 mg of letrozole per day and 4 weeks later I was at T 870, E2 at 19, LH at 10 and FSH at 5.

And yes cabergoline does have an effect on prolactin because in August I was at 7.7 and after 8 weeks it was less than 1.0.

Keep in mind this was 2013.

I was feeling quite recovered after taking letrozole for those 4 weeks. But I ended up adding in andractim to try and get rid of the gyno (this was before my gyno surgery) and at first I felt better but after 3 days or so I felt horrible.

During this time I trained martial arts, swam, and lifted weights 3 days a week. I read a ton of books. I didn't have any friends except a few people from the gym I ate lunch with twice a week and I didn't have any sex or approach women. Everywhere I went I just wore headphones so no one would talk to me. But overall I felt pretty good. And during this time I had a few episodes of drinking/marijuana that didn't set me back much. And if it did, the more progesterone cream I used the quicker I felt better.

I'll post my journal later from my 30 day fast in case it helps anyone. This was in March 2014. I want to do a fast right now but prefer to keep it under a week. But most cleansing from my experience occurred after day 5-6.

[silverstrand]

@Silverstrand

Have you done any 3 day fasts? I ask because I want to do a fast right now but don't have a month to spend fasting. In the past I have done a 30 day water fast and a 10 day water fast. I was reviewing my notes last night. I logged every day of the fast and 20 days after. I felt so great after the fast, and all I was taking was T boosters and nystatin/probiotics. I noticed that I started feeling worse once I added in DHT and cabergoline. Interesting. What are the thoughts on a 3 day fast? I may do this to detox.

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Yes, I'd just completed another one this week. This time, I did things a little different. I added probiotics on the last day, large amounts to load my system with beneficial flora in hopes they take dominance in my intestines. I'm still taking them now and will continue until I run out which should be in about a month. I thinking of doing another 3 day fast then and repeating the process. I'm also drinking bone broth.
Thanks for sharing your experience with Andractim. My guess is that Andractim can lower T4 which suggests suppression of the thyroid. I'm getting this idea that DHT isn't suppressive on HPTA directly but maybe rather indirectly through Thyroid hormone production. Hypothyroidism can cause low testosterone production and brain fog. This might have been what you experienced? So, another reason for me to get off Andractim. I will say though, I believe Andractim over these months have sensitized my body to DHT. It might be time to come off and see what develops.