Explain the Science of This

[silverstrand]

@Silverstrand



In August was my baseline with T levels of 340 and E2 at 26. LH and FSH were 3-4 each.

I then began taking cabergoline and 8 weeks later I was at T 670 E2 at 35 and LH/FSH the same

I then began taking .01 mg of letrozole per day and 4 weeks later I was at T 870, E2 at 19, LH at 10 and FSH at 5.

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Something I noticed about your numbers - Letrozole definitely raised your test but look at your LH and FSH numbers. I've read that our testosterone levels can be in the high 800's and 900's while LH and FSH are more in our individual normal ranges - for you this is around 3 to 4. I believe inflimation of the body is preventing our testicles from producing hormones even with the correct amount of signaling from the brain. This is why fasting works so well, because inflimation is reduced when in a fasted state. Your use of Letrozole will have a rebound effect in that it might induce more Aromatase. Using resveratrol, I believe is the better way to help control E and something you can use to come off Letro. I'm sure guys on here are better able to comment like Jelisej on test numbers - Jeslisej what's your take?

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One letrozole pill a week quadruples fat men's testosterone level

Letrozole --A good read

And "But lower doses produced, not so impressive, but still remarkable effects. For example, a single intake of 0.02 mg which represents only 8% of the recommended daily dose increased testosterone level by 45% within 2 days. After a week, testosterone level was still high. Three weeks after this single intake, testosterone level was almost back to basal, almost because it is still somewhat elevated."

I think letrozole regulated my E2. I took such a small dose that it didn't crush it. By lowering my E2, this provided feedback to my LH to produce more and as a result both my LH and T increased

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@silverstrand how much benefit have you noticed from the 3 day water fasts?

Anyone else with fasting experience able to chip in on this? I need to detox my body right now but it would be difficult to do an extended fast right now

[Cdsnuts]

Ageing?
Stress in life, which sometimes cant be helped?
Hereditary diseases.... There are lot of situations that we are helpless,
in any case if person is not feeling well we cant hold a grudge agains him or judge him by his ilness (at least IMO), we can try to help him or not
sometimes they are astray and it takes long time to put them on right put, sometimes they get lost in widerness, but for us-
we can eiteher try to help them or not;

and how many people on this forum do what they should not do?
how many people use or have used stuff they should not?

"He who is without sin cast the first stone."

Aging is a natural progression of things, and gradual slowing down of certain processes. Not a life sentence of suffering. The reason why people age worse then others is because of the decisions they make when they are young. Lifestyle is the number one determinant into how well you will age. Just because you go up in chronological years doesn't mean you have to live a miserable existence.

Stress can be managed. You and you alone control your reaction to outside stimulus.

Hereditary diseases are used as an excuse for the most part. Do what your parents did (same inputs, same lifestyle choices) and you will suffer the same physical hereditary responses. You don't have to let these things express themselves by controlling your inputs correctly. Again, people like to use this as an excuse for their bad habits.

I hold no grudges, so I'm not sure what you mean there. What people choose to do is up to them. It may look ridiculous to others seeing as there is plenty of information out there for them to make better choices, but it ultimately falls on them. Believe me, I know all too well about helping others.

I agree with that quote....for no one is without "sin"

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I think Clomid is having a wild card effect. It doesn't seem to be synergistic with letrozole use. Low dose letrozole in my experience is relatively stabilizing but Clomid is by nature a weak estrogen. My pituitary (among other things is probably confused)

Another factor could be shbg. Both letrozole and DHT lower shbg but Clomid increases it. So I probably have super high test right now (still looking for blood test options down here to confirm) but also guessing my E2, shbg and now progesterone are high and my body is in an non-androgenic state

[silverstrand]

Update:
I've made up my mind; I'm dropping Andractim for the purpose of supporting my Thyroid.
BTW, I've read a recovery story of an individual using a low dose of natural desiccated thyroid - he took just one grain in the morning for little over a year. When I first read this years ago, I thought it was a fluke but since then, I've learned so much and see how it is possible for Natural thyroid hormones to help the healing process. We have multiple system issues: Leaky Gut, Andrenal Fatigue, Hypothyroidism, Body Inflamation and Estrogen Dominance. Trying to solve one without addressing the others will bring you full circle and this is why its such a vicious cycle. I recently did some lab work and will see if NDT(Natural Desiccated Thyroid) makes sense in my case. The goal is to make sure my thyroid hormones are sufficient to heal my Gut, Andrenals, lower inflamation and support Testosterone production. This might be something you'd want to check out. The periodic Fasting and diet is to heal my gut problems that cause inflamation in the body. I can use resveratrol and low dose of AH for estrogen control. I'm also taking glandulars for my Andrenals, prostate, liver etc.

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I took a product called raw thyroid recently. For the first two weeks I felt fucking incredible but after that it started to make me more tired when taking it. I would suggest trying 5 days on 2 days off or 2 on 1 off

Hope this helps

[silverstrand]

One letrozole pill a week quadruples fat men's testosterone level

Letrozole --A good read

And "But lower doses produced, not so impressive, but still remarkable effects. For example, a single intake of 0.02 mg which represents only 8% of the recommended daily dose increased testosterone level by 45% within 2 days. After a week, testosterone level was still high. Three weeks after this single intake, testosterone level was almost back to basal, almost because it is still somewhat elevated."

I think letrozole regulated my E2. I took such a small dose that it didn't crush it. By lowering my E2, this provided feedback to my LH to produce more and as a result both my LH and T increased

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@silverstrand how much benefit have you noticed from the 3 day water fasts?

Anyone else with fasting experience able to chip in on this? I need to detox my body right now but it would be difficult to do an extended fast right now

Nothing out of this world on the water fasts but I do feel better each time. So, as long as I feel some benefit from them, I think it'd be a good think to incorporate on an almost monthly basis - 3 days is nothing. Start today and see how you respond in 3 days.
I read that same research and I'll tell you this, the Letro I purchased and the rest is staying in the trash.

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Also @cd did you see my question about holosync?

I listened to "The Dive" last night for 30 min. It just sounded like rain falling lol but was relaxing. I do believe in meditation and like ambient music

[silverstrand]

I took a product called raw thyroid recently. For the first two weeks I felt fucking incredible but after that it started to make me more tired when taking it. I would suggest trying 5 days on 2 days off or 2 on 1 off

Hope this helps

Thanks, I appreciate it. I dont know yet if I'll need it. I take a thyroid glandular but all over the counter thyroid glandulars are Thyroxin free by law in the US. So the glandulars only have trace amounts of thyroid hormones.

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So here is my plan for those who have been following.

I'm cutting out everything eventually.

My goal now is to get back to an androgenic state and at least be able to fuck again.

So I'm keeping the letrozole for now for stability.

I got back on alphahard at 15 caps a day, this is similar to an androhard dose. 8am 7pm. (The best I felt in March was at 15 alphahard 15 alphamass and 450 mg dhea before I crashed due to the alphamass)

I took it yesterday and I feel much better today. Had a 60% nocturnal last night, still slightly shriveled today but feeling better.

Taking 1-2 caps per day of dhea passion for intimacy which also includes yohimbe. I want this right now for my mood and energy levels. I think my adrenals were fucked after stopping progesterone and my mood has been bad. Most of the DHEA should convert to T due to the AI effects of letro. I don't have pregnanolone on hand but have been taking lots of coconut oil.

Will take Cialis/Viagra as needed. Sex helps my mood and my ability to think clearly and I do better in my business and have more energy. Ironically pde5 inhibitors take away back and muscle aches due to increased blood flow.

Eventually will taper off the DHEA and perhaps get a solo low dose yohimbe supplement to maintain energy levels and after coming off DHEA will come off letro.

And then PCT the alphahard and go to solo Herbal T booster rotation.

Thanks again for the good discussion and feedback. I like sharing ideas with enlightened minds

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Of I might just do a fast. Weighing my options right now