Explain the Science of This

[Thanksgiving]

Thanks for all the help here.

Something I don't understand:

While on the progesterone cream I had rock hard erections at night, and my erections were harder and fuller, but then sometimes in the day my flaccid was shriveled way up and it couldn't get hard when I needed it even with Viagra. Before getting on it, things were consistent, erections about 80% reliably, always got hard with Viagra, Flaccid was always about the same, large healthy, not shriveled.

Why did progesterone cream cause such inconsistency?

[entropy]

Thanks for all the help here.

Something I don't understand:

While on the progesterone cream I had rock hard erections at night, and my erections were harder and fuller, but then sometimes in the day my flaccid was shriveled way up and it couldn't get hard when I needed it even with Viagra. Before getting on it, things were consistent, erections about 80% reliably, always got hard with Viagra, Flaccid was always about the same, large healthy, not shriveled.

Why did progesterone cream cause such inconsistency?

We. Don't. Know. WE DON'T KNOW. This is why we don't advocate progesterone usage at all, we haven't got much of a clue why the stuff functions the way it does.

If you hadn't used progesterone I'd say you're describing low estrogen symptoms based upon the shrivelled, dead dick description. I've gotten the same sorta symptoms from res100 and I'm pretty sure Cdsnuts has the same sorta problems if he crushes his estrogen...

[tallstraw]

Dude you're gonna fuck yourself up. Just tally your shit so we have a thread of what NOT to do whenever people invariably come here about PFS.

[Brazilianguy]

I wouldn't mess with progesterone If I were you. Some say they give it to some people to decrease their sex drive. It works on estrogen But also on androgens, If you search you will see some use for prostate problems to make them shrink and I think you already know where it leads.

[Thanksgiving]

Dude you're gonna fuck yourself up. Just tally your shit so we have a thread of what NOT to do whenever people invariably come here about PFS.

What's ironic is I was 90% recovered.

And then I had a setback and panicked. That's my only regret.

It's hard to explain. I had restored my quality of life so much over time and it was hard to deal with a regression.

But thanks for the encouragement

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We. Don't. Know. WE DON'T KNOW. This is why we don't advocate progesterone usage at all, we haven't got much of a clue why the stuff functions the way it does.

If you hadn't used progesterone I'd say you're describing low estrogen symptoms based upon the shrivelled, dead dick description. I've gotten the same sorta symptoms from res100 and I'm pretty sure Cdsnuts has the same sorta problems if he crushes his estrogen...

That could be true. And progesterone is known to combat estrogen

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I wouldn't mess with progesterone If I were you. Some say they give it to some people to decrease their sex drive. It works on estrogen But also on androgens, If you search you will see some use for prostate problems to make them shrink and I think you already know where it leads.

Upon doing more research, progesterone is very similar to androgens. I suspect that it is binding to the same receptor and thus it affected the DHT and androgens I had restored

[silverstrand]

What's ironic is I was 90% recovered.

And then I had a setback and panicked. That's my only regret.

It's hard to explain. I had restored my quality of life so much over time and it was hard to deal with a regression.

But thanks for the encouragement

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That could be true. And progesterone is known to combat estrogen

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Upon doing more research, progesterone is very similar to androgens. I suspect that it is binding to the same receptor and thus it affected the DHT and androgens I had restored

You are making assumptions and it's hard not too while suffering from PFS when something works temporarily. What we do know is that the body was put under a tremdous amount of stress when taking Finasteride (for an unnaturally long period of time generally) so the body responded appropriately by coping the best it can. I believe your Progesterone use saw some temporary gains because you introduced a new stress element which forced the body to transition again; however, still in stress mode. What you felt was the transition which you took as "Recovery". To get better, the experiments need to stop and a full body approach to alleviating the body's long term stress response. To let you know, I've dropped everything, including Androhard and Aromasin. At this point, I believe they work counter to my goals and I now realize, these compounds are not necessary for recovery. Taking of hormones will only cause more imblance in the body, and hence more stress. The ONLY hormone I think could be utilized is possibly NDT - Natural Desicated Thyroid hormone while all other aspects of recovery in place. I do believe NDT can help speed up the recovery process. An absolute must are herbs, and not just T-Boosting herbs. Also, glandulars are a must such as prostate, liver, adrenal, thyroid, pancreas, brain etc.. - at least for me they are.
I think as a PFS sufferer, we look to correct the problem of low T directly but from experience and research this appears to be wrong. An indirect approach is the only way to go. For instances, I've said this before but your test numbers show you with a T score of around 800 with a low dose of Letro. What I also noticed were your LH and FSH numbers screaming at your nutts to produce test while on Letro. Your LH had to more than double/triple just for you to produce an additional 200 ngs of Test. Do this seem right to you? In reality, you should have high T with LH/FSH numbers around your normal which I take as 3 or 4. Letro is then working against you because your body is now stressed for lack of Estrogen and your nutts are being hit with abnormally large amounts of LH and FSH which might lead to desensitization. You can’t just focus on T. You use letro because you noticed your E going up as a result of Caber and while you benefited some from increased T, you’re body is still in stress mode so its fighting back by increasing E and very likely Cortisol which kills T. The problem we have is Chronic Stress and you can’t solve this by experimenting with hormones – this will keep your body perpetually in stress.
Now that you have used progesterone, it will take several weeks to clear. Stop the use, avoid Alcohol at all costs, eat clean, and cycle herbs – this is what those who have succeded at what you are trying to accomplish did – no need to reinvent the wheel. Let go and follow their examples.

[silverstrand]

I use coconut oil regularly and have no problems with it now, or then.

I'm glad you made a comment here - I love coconut but have avoid it for more than 2 years because I though it can inhibit 5ar. I took another look and the high saturated fat is perfect for hormone production. Last night I bought some coconut oil and enjoyed some. Thanks!

[silverstrand]

Libido is not animal that can be chased or caught, it needs to come back on its own- there is no medication really effective for curing libido, or that will permanently raise it. If you create good enviroment libido may come back

Thsee words really altered how I view my situation. I came across it again, it's striking how you might need to read/hear things several times before fully sinking in.
Btw, I believe I found this issue for my sleeping disorder and muscle twitching. I believe it's brain inflammation. To help, I've been taking therapeutic amounts of Fish oil, 3000mg plus, high omega 3. This is my 3rd day and my muscle twitching has subsided a good deal and I feel more calm at night, though falling asleep is still difficult. Still, it's one piece of the puzzle. If you guys are having muscle twitching or sleep dispurbances, try large amounts of Fish oil and provide feedback to see if this is common among us.

[Cdsnuts]

Thsee words really altered how I view my situation. I came across it again, it's striking how you might need to read/hear things several times before fully sinking in.
Btw, I believe I found this issue for my sleeping disorder and muscle twitching. I believe it's brain inflammation. To help, I've been taking therapeutic amounts of Fish oil, 3000mg plus, high omega 3. This is my 3rd day and my muscle twitching has subsided a good deal and I feel more calm at night, though falling asleep is still difficult. Still, it's one piece of the puzzle. If you guys are having muscle twitching or sleep dispurbances, try large amounts of Fish oil and provide feedback to see if this is common among us.

Check your mineral intake as well. Getting a couple good doses of magnesium always did the trick for me.

[silverstrand]

Check your mineral intake as well. Getting a couple good doses of magnesium always did the trick for me.

Thanks Cd. Will do. I just purchased Dr Rons Cal 1000 and 500 Magnesium. I started taking Magnesium 500 mg at night about a week ago but I'll look to increase that dose now.