Explain the Science of This

[Cdsnuts]

More like a Steven King senario - this bitch is a horror story.

Yes, it is. But the groundwork has been laid for you to figure out a way of putting down the book. What you are doing, is being done needlessly. The only thing you should be putting your mind power towards is staying on a healthful routine that has already been created and documented by many before you. Anything more is taking away from energy that you could be putting into recovery

[Jelisej]

More like a Steven King senario - this bitch is a horror story.

Lot of horror stories have happy ending, and ending to this one largely depends on you- and this kind of stories just makes it worse,
Leave scary stories for children, lets be practical and proactive.
Many times things were said about healthy lifestyle, sleep etc...
CD nuts repeated bazillion times same old stuff of which majority is specifically adapted for PFS sufferers, in which most if not all these problems you mentioned are solved.

[silverstrand]

Yes, it is. But the groundwork has been laid for you to figure out a way of putting down the book. What you are doing, is being done needlessly. The only thing you should be putting your mind power towards is staying on a healthful routine that has already been created and documented by many before you. Anything more is taking away from energy that you could be putting into recovery

You are very right.

[Cdsnuts]

You are very right.

YOU are the author. You get to choose how the story ends.

[silverstrand]

YOU are the author. You get to choose how the story ends.

I REALLY want to start living the happy ending.
Its been so long, I dont even remember how it feels to be healthy, 9 years; its crushing.

Anyway, I'm staying focused.

Thanks guys, I do appreacate everything.

[Thanksgiving]

I want to update those who have been following along and those who are in similar situations. Normally I haven't been logging but I want to help.

I made a recent DISCOVERY that brought some clarity even though I feel like an idiot.

Brief timeline
March and May 2014 - water fast of 30 days followed by 60 day refeed and then another 10 day fast
June 2014-March 2015 following CDnuts routine exactly substituting alpha hard for Androhard, begin Feeling GREAT but not all the way there. I would feel great on Alpha hard and herbal boosters but I HATED PCT for the few weeks of the cycle I was on DAA. It upset my stomach and I felt depressed often.
February 2015 - started having sex again with Viagra
End of March 2015 - began the DHT phase but this time I added to the alpha hard with alpha mass and dhea and letrozole. And holy fuck I felt 100% for a week. I had sex 8 times in one night and could consistently do 6-7. Wow I love life.

HERE IS MY MISTAKE - after two weeks of the protocol I switched the DHEA I was taking. I had been taking pure DHEA. After two weeks on the protocol I ran out and switched to a new DHEA plus PROPRIETARY BLEND. A week after the switch I crashed hard. At the time I contributed that on Alpha Mass.

At this time I was in relationships and panicked. At first I tried PCT and afterwards coming off everything but then crashed harder. I began taking all kinds of shit including clomid and LDN

This went on for a while and I just got back on Alpha Hard mixed with all the other bullshit. I continued taking the DHEA WITH PROPRIETARY BLEND.

I went from reading 3 books a week and working out 7 days a week to not reading and working out twice a week.

I got to a point where I was kind of stable but something wasn't right so I came off DHEA WITH PROPRIETARY BLEND. I crashed again with energy levels and thought something was up with Adrenals. So I took progesterone for 9 days. Day 1 I felt 100%. Then began feeling worse and crashed and at that time I made the thread.

CRASHED IS A DRAMATIC TERM. It translates to "me making bad decisions and not being patient."

During this time I researched everything. I noticed the DHEA PROPRIETARY BLEND affected me differently than pure DHEA but the ingredients weren't listed. Keep in mind I was taking high dose of pure DHEA, 400-600 mg when I was feeling 100%. I contacted the company and asked what was in the proprietary blend. For every 25 mg of DHT in the proprietary blend, there was 100 mg of saw palmetto. I WAS UNKNOWINGLY TAKING 1800 mg of saw palmetto daily. That's a huge amount. In addition it contained nettle root.

So basically I fucked myself there.

Since the progesterone cream I have gone back to cleansing and back to CD routine full time.

I came off progesterone clomid, letro, naltrexone, all forms of DHEA, and haven't taken cabergoline in a while although I may resume the caber because it seems to help.

Right now I have been fasting one day a week (cleanses some and boosts GH)

I am only taking alpha hard at 15 per day and vitamin D 10k Iu per day to try to restore an androgenic state. I also need to prevent estrogen rebound after coming off clomid and letro and the DHT helps.

Lately I haven't been able to fuck, have had no energy, and insomnia. I usually fall asleep at 7 pm for two hours and then can't sleep until 6 or 7 am. Last night I did take melatonin to force myself to sleep at 2 since I have been running on empty and had to wake up early. Also I have extreme fatigue and very aching muscles and bones.

But I at least feel like I got the problem figured out, now it's just a matter of time. Going to stay on alpha hard for a while until I am no longer concerned about estrogen rebound and this time for PCT I am going to jump right into the herbs along with ReBoot from forerunner. I know that by getting back on CDs protocol I will feel better again with time.

My own worse enemy right now. Need to treat myself better. All I can say is do your diligence with everything you put in your body. If you see the word proprietary blend, call the company and figure out what that shit really is. Can't believe I did this to myself after being almost completely recovered. But at least I understand why that happened. I had been so confused how I could just crash again in April but now it makes perfect sense.

Thanks for your continued support.

[Thanksgiving]

Also, any suggestions on the cause and cure for achy muscles and bones?

It doesn't feel like I've been working out a lot, and it my joints don't hurt. It just feels like a dull ache especially in my biceps and quads and calves.

[Cdsnuts]

I find it hard to believe that you did two 30 day water fasts a month apart from each other. A proper month-long water only fast is going to take you more than one month to recover from and in no shape or form should you jump into another 30 day fast so soon after completing the first one. Seeing as I have successfully completed four water only fasts over the course of many years, the timeline you mention here doesn't make sense. I just want to be clear here that the definition of a water only fast is just that ....water only for a specified time period.

I can tell you from experience there is no way you're going to want to fast again for a whole other month after successfully fasting for a month prior. No way. You're not going to have the physical reserves nor the mental stamina to be able to do it

Something's not adding up here bud. A month long water fast is no easy task. On the contrary it's a very monumental task to say the least

[Thanksgiving]

I find it hard to believe that you did two 30 day water fasts a month apart from each other. A proper month-long water only fast is going to take you more than one month to recover from and in no shape or form should you jump into another 30 day fast so soon after completing the first one. Seeing as I have successfully completed four water only fasts over the course of many years, the timeline you mention here doesn't make sense. I just want to be clear here that the definition of a water only fast is just that ....water only for a specified time period.

I can tell you from experience there is no way you're going to want to fast again for a whole other month after successfully fasting for a month prior. No way. You're not going to have the physical reserves nor the mental stamina to be able to do it

Something's not adding up here bud. A month long water fast is no easy task. On the contrary it's a very monumental task to say the least

You're absolutely right it doesn't add up.

Because you either didn't read carefully or misinterpreted my data, or perhaps I wasn't clear.

I had surgery February 27 and fasted for the next 30 DAYS beginning February 28. WATER ONLY. And then a 4 day juice refeed. And yeah I went from 220 to 170. I ended my fast March 28. I couldn't do anything r after the surgery so I fasted.

I had another surgery May 27 and did a 10 DAY water fast with a 4 day refeed.

So I did

30 day water fast
60 days eating
10 day water fast

I'm not trying to prove to anyone that I did a fast. I don't give a shit if you believe me or not, it doesn't matter. I'm not a keyboard hero. I'm willing to post my journals if it would help anyone who is thinking of fasting.

And yeah it was difficult but it wasn't so bad after a few days. I did it all at home because at the time I couldn't afford to go to a fancy institution. But it is important to be educated. Every day I spent researching fasting and watching other fasting journals on YouTube so I knew what to expect.

I wasn't in any danger except that I got a little light headed when I stood up.

Does anyone have advice on the question I asked about dull aches?

I'm posting all this information in attempt to be educational for those who might have similar questions or concerns.

[Thanksgiving]

Water fast journal

Should I post a separate thread also in the fin thread so it's easier to find?

Day 1
Not notice that much
Want to eat out of routine
Feel pretty good

Day 2
Arms are sore at night
Hungry but not craving

Day 3
Legs are sore at night
Sinuses stuffy
Craving food and hungry

Day 4
Back is sore at night
Very hungry and cravings
Senses are more sensitive

Day 5
Very hungry
Hardest day
Annoying hunger
Sweet ketosis taste
Lots of oils
Difficult to sleep the following night

Day 6
Feel my intestines, prostate area cleansing at night
Legs sore at night
Still hungry but not as much
Still oily
Much more thirsty

Day 7
Getting a lot of things done
Determined to eat better
Sinuses slightly stuffy


Day 8
Woke up very focused
Very tired afterwards
Sleeping a lot
More determination in lumosity
Light cravings but not hungry
Studying food to eat better
Mouth is dry and very thirsty

Day 9
Tongue is very coated
Fainting
Determination to get tversity working
Lungs feel much cleaner
Senses are much more sensitive
More thirst

Day 10
Neck sore at night
Body has less energy but is healing more
Low blood pressure-close to fainting
Fatigue
Puffy eyes

Day 11
Very dry mouth
Much fatigue
Slight nausea
Stuffy sinuses
Sore in legs, lower back, lower abs, groin, arms
Bloodshot and puffy eyes
Fever
Extremely sensitive feeling
Surges of anger/depression
Pale face

Day 12
Random bursts of energy
Runny nose
Dry mouth
Very hard time sleeping tonight
Slow speech

Day 13
Feeling very good
Still light headed
Dry mouth and thirsty
Slightly stuffy nose

Day 14
Dry mouth
Lots of energy
Stomach ache
Pale complexion
Face very defined and lean

Day 15
Much energy
Stomach ache and healing
More blood flow to all areas of body
Feel prostate healing
Cold feet

Day 16
Less swelling prostate
Energy levels
Thinking of food and miss it
Skin is changing
Drinking lots of water
Very sharp senses
Cold feet

Day 17
Skin is changing more and is dry
Less swelling prostate
Very sharp senses
Annoying hunger
Body is adapted to fast, have energy
Burn scars are healing
Feel sensation in liver

Day 18
Lethargic
Feel the cleansing
Brain is foggy and cleansing
More skin cleansing
Emotionally flat
Dry throat

Day 19
Sleep
Foggy
Emotionally frustrated
Hungry

Day 20
Lethargy
Lots of sleeping

Day 21
Mouth not as coated
Fatigue
Muscle sore
Short of breath
Not as much water

Day 22
Tired
Just want to relax
Very emotional at times
Had severe panic attack
One fainting episode
Blood pressure very low

Day 23
Very much fatigue - couch lock
Thought process is much quieter, I have had a few mild mood swings, I think my brain is healing
Slight sporadic stomach aches
Mouth is still coated but not as much
Skin is really soft and scars are healing
Some muscle soreness and very little energy
Kind of hungry
Short of breath
Joints kind of sore (knees back ankles)
Anxiety before bed
Hard time sleeping
Strange dreams (last few days)

Day 24
Lower back/grown pain
Foggy brain
Lethargy
Thinking of food but not ready for it
Mucus discharge
Clearer skin
Urine smells

Day 25
Strange taste in mouth
Night hunger
Considerable anxiety
Skin is clearing up

Day 26
Urine smells
Joint pain
Tongue very coated and bumps on back of tongue
Slight nausea
Runny nose
Very strong hunger

Day 27
Urine foamy
Stomach hurts
Hunger pains can't sleep
Thinking of food all day
Some more energy

Day 28
Little to sleep last night
Stomach hurts
Stomach acid
Sweet taste in mouth
Tongue less coated

Day 29
Little sleep
Weird feeling in stomach
Slightly light headed
More energy

Day 30
Good energy but need to recover
Tongue coated but not as much

Day 1 Refeed
I feel ready
I feel great, a thankful
Hunger and appetite returning
Drinking all diluted juice, 3 blender fulls, sitting on couch just drinking juice

Day 2 Refeed
I feel really GREAT
Strong energy levels
Eyes bright
Skin clear and glowing
Tongue not coated
Still slightly light headed but noticing changes
Drink 5 blender fulls of juice, eat a few blueberries and 3 bites banana
Feel sleep coming easier and body returning to schedule
In a very good mood
Can feel new brain connections

Day 3 Refeed
Feel great
Eating raw fruits
Lots of juice
Bowels "working"

Day 4 Refeed
Wake up super hard
Feel great
Appetite
Digestion working again
Lots of juice
Eating lots of raw fruits
Slight light headed but improving
Energy returning
Physical activities, moving acquisitions, carry groceries, run across street

Day 5
Feel great in morning
Begin nystatin probiotics enzymes
Eat turkey and vegetables and banana. Too spicy, too much food, get bloated, feel really bad, back and hip hurt, standing on heels, too heavy, yuck

Day 6 refeeding
Feel better, eat shake and small amount of turkey guacamole in morning, fruits and salmon in afternoon, had a large meal in evening and yogurt, tolerated well
Ate more food my visiting family made when get home and get bloated and feel bad,
Took double dose of nystatin probiotics enzymes
Woke up feeling itchy after 4 hours of sleep but feel better and itching went away, reaction to nystatin/lactose probably

Day 7 refeeding
Morning drinking juice and fruits
Ate tons of potatoes turkey vegetables and fruits 3 pm...stuffed
Feeling pretty good once it digested
Had lots lots lots of frozen yogurt, still feeling good but bloated, carb backloads
Increased enzymes probiotics today

Day 8 refeeding
Morning juice and banana
Lunch Indian buffet limited carbs but had fruits and naan
Huge huge huge meal at Mexican restaurant
Lots lots lots of frozen yogurt
Feeling tired and gross before bed, also lack of sleep
Increased probiotics and enzymes and nystatin is 6 MU

Day 9 refeeding
Very interesting dream last night, documented
Woke up 3 times to piss
Dick hard as a rock!
Eating good nutrition
Spontaneous half boner
Emotions up and down

Day 10 refeeding
Wet dream in morning
Mostly juice, too bloated lately
Wet dream afternoon nap
Emotions up and down
Headache

Day 11 refeeding
Wet dream morning
So bloated still
Sprints on beach, low energy
Up an down on libido

Day 12 refeeding
Spontaneous erection aroused by a young woman
Had yogurt twice

Day 13 refeeding
Wet dream middle of night
Woke up hard as fuck
Dick so hard all day
Libido sky high
Taking Acai berry to help reduce bloating
Feeling very creative

Sunday
Feeling good
Juice and yogurt fasting
Headache and tired

Monday
Juice and yogurt fasting
Feeling pretty good
Very motivated

Tuesday
Feeling really good
Sprints feel better
Began taking test boosters Bulbine
Began eating again 4 pm after yogurt/juice fasting in morning
Less bloating

Wednesday
Woke up super hard and had vivid dreams
Catuaba bark
Ate dairy and grains today mixed feelings
More bloating again will see how feel in morning

Thursday
Wake up hard as tree trunk
Cordyceps
Super horny
Random half erections
Eating too much gluten dairy gives headache and bloating in afternoon
Drank one beer

Friday
60 push-ups, back extensions
Deer antler velvet
Hard as fuck during nap

Saturday
Had nocturnals but no morning
Dodder seed
Horny as fuck all day
Pain in lower left leg last night similar to day. 5-6 of water fast, also slight signs of plantar fasciitis returning in right foot
Weigh 210 lbs

Sunday
So fucking horny
Drink wine eat gluten eat ice cream feel mostly ok
Dopa mucuna

Monday
Really horny
Thinking
Mood is up and down
Ipriflavonene
More orgasms lately

Tuesday
Woke up decently hard
Emotionally flat/up and down
Libido but no erections
Too much masturbating lately
Bloated and gassy lately
Maca
Begin cabergoline

Wednesday
Bloated and gassy
Energy decent for workout and swim
Body still recovering from surgery
Need to strengthen abs to heal hernia
Feel so so so fucking horny today
Lots of orgasms
Diet finally right with carb back loading
Taking Massularia
Also took caffeine based energy supplement to reduce bloat
Super horny, functioning returning