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    Wesley VS. R-Andro Rx by Iron Mag Labs

    Thank you Iron Mag Labs for allowing me to log this product.

    R-Andro by IML. Aka R-Dhea. Aka Androsterone. I will be comparing this to the older Super Epi Andro Rx as well as Primordial Performances Andro Hard Version 1.

    Let me be the first to say, yes I am a REP for IML. I have had excellent experiences with all their products. With that being said and done I will give 100% honest feedback on this product. AndroHard and Epiandro are my favorite compound of all time, so I am primarily looking to see how this version compares to the other two, while giving you guys an idea of effects, side effects, etc..while on a somewhat high dosage.

    I will be running 600mgs ED. Will update how I dose it daily, but game plan is to do 200mgs 3x per day. I may drop down to 400mgs on days off, but I may not. Time will tell. The only other compounds I will be running are Pre-workouts and Protein as you will see pictured. Meth Lab, My personal product Ultimate Orange Juiced, and Raw Dynamix Problend and Whey Protein.

    I will post current stats and workout details on DAY 1- Please stay tuned, this is starting ASAP!






    I will be posting regarding the following:

    Strength
    Muscle Hardness
    Size
    Endurance
    Cardio Function
    Vascularity
    Aggression
    Anger
    Depression
    Overall Mood
    Acne
    Oily Skin
    Changes in mood/temperment
    Agression in the Gym
    How this effects Sex
    Sex Drive
    Any sexually related issues
    Nightmares
    Night Sweats
    Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
    liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
    Hair thinning
    Hair Darkening
    Hair growth
    Heartburn


    **Please subscribe and Please feel free to ask any and all questions about this product. I will be logging at least 3x per week. Please be advised this is my busy time of year for me, training and my supplement store, so please limit all questions to the body of this thread. I rarely if ever check PM's. Thank you!!**



    BRIEF DESCRIPTION of the Compound Below

    by Mike Arnold

    For those of you who have been following the sports supplement scene for a while, you may be familiar with a compound known as androsterone. First released about 8-9 years ago, this non-methylated DHEA derivative quickly became one of the best selling products in its class. Marketed as a non-toxic strength gainer with distinct muscle hardening effects and alpha-male promoting characteristics, many found it to be the perfect complement to their OTC regimen. However, pending legal troubles and high production costs soon put an end to this once popular prohormone. Since then we’ve seen a few attempts at reintroduction, but if using consumer reviews as a means of product evaluation, it appears that more recent formulations have fallen short in terms of effectiveness. But what exactly is androsterone and what makes it stand out from the other DHEA-based prohormones on the market?

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    Technically, androsterone is an active a neurosteroid, but is known mostly for its ability to convert to DHT. In this regard, it is often compared to the more widely used, yet much less costly epiandrosterone, as both convert to DHT through the same two-step conversion process (Androsterone/Epiandrosterone-->Androstanediol/Androstanedione-->DHT). In fact, they are essentially the same compound from a molecular standpoint, differing only by isomer. With such close similarities in terms of both structure and metabolism, many have viewed these compounds as one in the same. However, even a brief a review of the literature quickly debunks such a notion, revealing significant differences between these hormones on multiple levels. One indication of this dissimilarity is found in Vida (an AAS reference guide), which lists androsterone as being a considerably more potent androgen than epiandrosterone; a fact confirmed repeatedly through real-world use.

    Still, compared to a steroid like testosterone, androsterone in its unconverted state provides little in the way of anabolic effects (it possesses about 1/7th the androgenic potency of testosterone). Its primary function is that of a neurosteroid and pheromone, while also serving as the base material for conversion to other active metabolites. Having been extensively marketed as a prohormone, most are familiar with this aspect of its function, but much fewer seem to be aware of its ability to alter brain activity. As an inhibitory neurosteroid, androsterone works as a modulator of the GABA receptor, which is responsible for regulating communication between brain cells specific to brain and nervous system functioning. With stress-reducing, rewarding, pro-social, anti-depressant, anxiolytic, analgesic, neuroprotective, and pro-sexual effects, the GABA receptor’s ability to influence mood and overall wellbeing is well documented. Given androsterone’s pronounced effect in this area, one should not be surprised to learn that this aspect of its character plays a central role in shaping the overall “feel” of the drug—one which, according to user reviews, is largely appreciated and preferable to that of many other prohormones.

    By viewing androsterone as the sum total of all its metabolites in the conversion chain, rather than a singular hormone with a limited scope of action, we are better able to comprehend its overall character and potential physiological effects. Even a steroid like testosterone, although rarely viewed as a prohormone by those who administer AAS for purposes of performance enhancement, must be evaluated in the same way, as its predisposition for conversion to DHT and estrogen enables it to have a much broader range of effects in the body than testosterone alone. While this is generally understood and accounted for by the majority of testosterone users, the same can’t be said for compounds marketed specifically as prohormones, despite the fact that they frequently display activity at all points in the conversion chain.

    Furthermore, androsterone’s role as a neurosteroid and pheromone has not been fully elucidated, leaving us with only a partial understanding of its effects on both the host and those who come in contact with it via pheromone transmission. Muddying up the waters a little more is the fact that it can convert back and forth between DHT and androsterone, making it impossible to determine with any accuracy its conversion rate to DHT, or any intermediary metabolite for that matter. This lack of a pre-determined endpoint is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but it does make it difficult to tell exactly how much of its beneficial effects are attributable to each hormone. None the less, androsterone has been shown to provide DHT-like effects, so instead of focusing on what we don’t know, let’s look at what we do know.

    As a 5a-reduced metabolite, neither androsterone, nor any of its metabolites are capable of converting to estrogen, making the use of an aromatase inhibitor wholly unnecessary and even counterproductive (at least while on-cycle). Overall, side effects appear to be pretty mild. Without the ability to aromatize and being unable to bind to the estrogen receptor, estrogenic side effects are non-existent. In terms of androgenic sides, they are also relatively mild, especially in comparison to more potent androgens like trenbolone or testosterone. Obviously, DHT itself is a potent androgen, so any elevation in DHT levels will increase the likelihood of experiencing androgenic side effects such as acne, hair loss, etc. However, anecdotal reports reveal that this isn’t an issue for the majority of users, despite the presence of DHT-like effects on the user’s musculature, strength levels, and mental state. A likely explanation for this disparity is that androsterone derives a substantial portion of its effects from both the parent compound and intermediary metabolites, rather than DHT alone.

    One of the most popular reasons to use androsterone is to help off-set the deleterious effects that many OTC cycles can have on mood and functioning. Without testosterone as part of one’s cycle, endogenous testosterone production plummets, leaving the user with deficient DHT levels and a bevy of potential side effects, including loss of libido, sexual dysfunction, and lethargy. Androsterone can eliminate this negative aspect of OTC steroid use by helping to normalize DHT concentrations in the bloodstream. Although DHT has gotten a bad rap in some circles due to its association with hair loss (genetically determined) and benign prostatic hyperplasia, the reality is that DHT is essential for optimal functioning and good health. It is particularly valuable to bodybuilders/strength athletes, as it initiates a plethora of beneficial effects on both the mind and body.

    One of these is fat loss. With clinical research demonstrating the ability of DHT to increase the production of epinephrine and cyclic amp, fat loss is accelerated through both an increase in lipolysis and the conversion of TSH to T4. DHT also antagonizes estrogen, thereby mitigating estrogen-induced side effects like gynecomastia, water retention, and female fat pattern distribution in those using aromatizable drugs. This promotes a hard, dry appearance, particularly in those with sufficiently low bodyfat. Another mechanism by which DHT works to enhance athletic performance is through strength enhancement, which it accomplishes by improving neurological efficiency. When it comes to gaining a mental edge, few steroids can hold a candle to DHT. Through alterations to our neurochemistry, DHT is able to improve cognition, motivation, self-confidence, energy, aggression, focus, and even elevate our mood.

    In terms of HPTA suppression, androsterone is generally mild, although when administered at higher doses a short PCT may be required. It is interesting to note that androsterone been shown to improve the lipid profile, with clinical trials revealing a reduction in cholesterol levels in test subjects. As you can see, androsterone is a complex hormone with a variety of beneficial effects generated through multiple different pathways, many of which are directly applicable to the goals of a bodybuilder/athlete. For those of you who are already using illegal AAS, you will find little need for prohormones of this nature, simply because their effects can be replicated with greater potency when using more traditional drugs. However, for those of you who have chosen to abstain from controlled substances, androsterone makes a solid stacker with more hypertrophic OTC prohormones.
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    Wesley VS. R-Andro Rx by Iron Mag Labs

    Sub a dub dub...Get started already!
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    Thank you guys!! I started with a dose of 600mgs PWO last night. I took 300mgs 2 hours prior to session and then 1 hour before i opened three additonal caps, and mixed the powder into my pwo, I'm using UOJ again.

    Honestly, this won't go into my log, because Sunday/Monday is Day 1 of the log officially.

    Let me say I had no negative effects. My workout was insane. I know its only the first time I took it, but I kid you not, even my gf was looking at me as if she could not understand. I did a burnout set on bench at the end of my entire session got to 135lbs and at 60 reps I was still going. Couldn't believe the energy and drive I had. Def was improved HUGE. Not just saying this.

    I was a bit sweatier then normal, and my BP was def high at that dosage, I turned bright red on every set, but let me tell you..What a workout.

    Now I am super excited to see what's gonna happen in time.

    Gonna run this for 30-60 days at this dosage.
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    In, good luck Wes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesleyInman View Post
    Thank you guys!! I started with a dose of 600mgs PWO last night. I took 300mgs 2 hours prior to session and then 1 hour before i opened three additonal caps, and mixed the powder into my pwo, I'm using UOJ again.

    Honestly, this won't go into my log, because Sunday/Monday is Day 1 of the log officially.

    Let me say I had no negative effects. My workout was insane. I know its only the first time I took it, but I kid you not, even my gf was looking at me as if she could not understand. I did a burnout set on bench at the end of my entire session got to 135lbs and at 60 reps I was still going. Couldn't believe the energy and drive I had. Def was improved HUGE. Not just saying this.

    I was a bit sweatier then normal, and my BP was def high at that dosage, I turned bright red on every set, but let me tell you..What a workout.

    Now I am super excited to see what's gonna happen in time.

    Gonna run this for 30-60 days at this dosage.
    I can believe this no doubt. I typically always feel the hormones an hour or so after i take them, every time. Especially in the beginning of the run. And at that dosage, I'd be surprised if you didn't feel something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hossam View Post
    In, good luck Wes!
    Whats up Hossam!! Good to see you man, ty!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    I can believe this no doubt. I typically always feel the hormones an hour or so after i take them, every time. Especially in the beginning of the run. And at that dosage, I'd be surprised if you didn't feel something.
    LOL..its def pretty noticeable at this dosage. And since it's esterfied, if we say these are 30% more effective, then this is closer to 800mgs would be normally. Thanx man for following

    DAY 1-


    Starting Bodyweight= 206lbs


    Past few months I have been going through the motions a bit. Time constraints and small injuries have been pestering me. Primarily a small Pec strain at the insert and into the bicep, and a small issue in my hip flexor. So I have not been training super heavy or doing a ton of volume.

    My goal here is body recomp, see if my strength increases and muscle hardening which will improve appearance. Will do midsection as well..

    Will get a BEFORE photo up this week at some point.

    WORKOUT


    Warmup for 10minutes

    Wide Grip Bench Press-

    135x20

    225x10

    225x10

    315x10

    Wesley Inman Traps

    45x30

    45x30

    45x20

    Seated Cable Rows

    75x20

    150x15

    200x10

    300(rack) x 10

    Standing Military Press

    135x10

    225x8

    (Here is some older footage to show how these look. I did hit a PR a few months ago. I hit this for 12 reps @ 205BW..which for me is not bad at all!)


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    Wesley Inman Strongman Strict Press 225lbs and Push Press 315lbs - YouTube

    Pulldowns

    100x10

    200x10

    Called it a day. Short on time. Didn't get to do abs, but might later.

    Hitting it again 2morrow.


    300mgs in the am and 300mgs in the afternoon.


    So far, I feel good, and no anger on this dosage.
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    Watching for sure.

    FPR's log will probably be at a lower dose, due to expense I'm guessing, so there should be a nice comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grape Ape View Post
    Watching for sure.

    FPR's log will probably be at a lower dose, due to expense I'm guessing, so there should be a nice comparison.
    Yeah this is very true!! Good to see you man and thank you for following

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    IN!
    Hey man, good to see you as well and thank you!!!!

    DAY 2-

    Leg Day-


    Took 300mgs of R-Andro with my PWO Ultimate Orange Juiced 45 mins prior to workout.


    Warmup-

    Leg Extensions

    50x20

    80x20

    100x20


    Squats

    45x20

    45x20

    135x10

    225x10

    315x10

    405x6 (hip flexor and groin started to bother me again, dropping down weight)

    315x10 5 second pauses at the bottom)


    Deadlifts

    135x10

    315x10

    500x10 with straps and momentum, not stopping after each rep.


    Seated Calf Raises


    45x20

    90x20

    135x10

    180x10

    225x10


    Hanging Ab Raises


    Bodyweight x10

    x10

    x10


    Called it a day. Felt awesome energy wise today. I don't generally work out in the am, and I barely ate and I had plenty of energy and drive in the gym. I def feel a bit stronger this morning. Again, product doesn't bother me at all. 300mgs of epiandro in one dosage would make me angry. And trust me on this. I have run it no less then 10 cycles in the past few years...I know this compound.


    No anger. Better mood. Motivated and great workout again today.

    Noticed a slight increase in hunger about an hour after my doses both days, am and pm.

    Also I have to baby my left hip flexor. I wanted to go heavier, but honestly 405 has been bugging me..anything less is ok. I have actually only been doing 405 for singles for the past month, so today is the first day I pushed it a bit. I am happy..but at rep 6, I knew to rack the weight. Feel a pinch in my groin on the same side as well which is new. Nothing serious, but I certainly would rather be safe then sorry.

    Can't wait for 2morrows session.

    What I can say about this or any supplement, is when I get on a product, and/or do a log, I get super motivated again. So this is a positive, call it placebo effect if you will. I feel this product already. If you asked my honest opinion already, even though it's still brand new to me..I'd say it's acting slightly different then Epiandro. But again, lets give this more time. I don't want to jump the gun, just explaining what I am feeling so far.
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