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    CD's Natural Testosterone boosting regimen

    Back by popular demand....

    I've had more then several people reach out to me to revisit this topic, and seeing as the last time I dropped it here it was buried inside another thread, I'm going to make it a standalone so that it's easier to find for those that are interested.

    The key points are:

    Make sure your diet and training are on point.

    You're going to take one herb per day and then move on to the next one the following day. You're not going to want to spend more then a day or two on each herb. The whole point is to avoid the inevitable tolerance that your body will put up against any substance which is taken on too regular of a basis. By rotating your herbs in this fashion, you get that nice, juicy Testosterone boost each and every time you take it, as opposed to just the first couple times and then having the magic fade quickly.

    The only downside of this is there is a significant purchase up front, but when you cycle them properly, they last forever. You want to start out with a minimum of 7 herbs. When funds become available, purchase another one or two, and keep adding on. I personally rotate about 20+ different herbs (one each day) that brings me to a complete three week cycle. Once I get to the end, I start all over again. The best part is, you can do this indefinitely. It never stops producing results.....it's always fresh. The more herbs you have in the rotation, the stronger you can keep the response from each one of them because more time has passed since the last time you've taken it. I say you need 7 to start because you want to wait at minimum a week between taking each particular herb. The longer you wait, the better the response.

    By using these herbs in this fashion I've felt the best I've ever felt in my life. I feel like i'm "on" all the time. Well being, sex drive, performance and strength, muscle building are all kept naturally at the highest possible levels. It's a great feeling!

    This is my complete list in no particular order:

    Pine Pollen
    Pine pollen extract
    Ant Extract
    Cistanche
    He Shou Wu
    Schisandra
    Guduchi
    Maral Root.
    Shilajit pitch
    Tongkat Ali
    Rhodiola
    Eleuthero
    Ashwaganda
    Mucana
    Cordyceps
    Lions mane
    Tribulus (liftmode)
    Muira puama
    Catauba bark
    Butea superba
    Suma root extract
    Royal jelly
    maca (macapro)


    The majority of these can be grabbed at Super Man Herbs - Pine Pollen, Mushrooms, Shilajit and More . So far I haven't found another supplier that provides the quality of product that they do. This can be vouched for by many guys here that have already tried many of their herbs. Also, by opting in to their site, you get free stuff based on what you buy, and they regularly send out discounts to people on their mailing list. Win win.

    Once you're up and running and you have enough herbs in your stash, you can use this as a PCT or just to feel as good as you possibly can at all times. PCT can sometimes be a downer, depending on what you've been running. I've never had the PCT blues since starting this program. Granted, I don't run anything crazy or too suppressive, but it still sucks coming off of something that feels as good as R andro/androhard. Within days of getting back on this regimen, I feel great again! The best part is, it's all natural and non suppressive. Herbs build you up, not shut you down. Not to mention they are loaded with minerals, nutrients, phytochemicals and vitamins, so they're actually healthy to take as well.

    So for those of you that have been asking, here you go.
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    Have you any experience with stacking two or more herbs each day?

    I've been cycling seven test boosters since your last suggestion, and I do enjoy it. I will continue, but I don't necessarily get that WOW factor from each herb like you mention. Just better peramiters all around. Is there any reason to think that a higher dose would be better when cycling in this fashion?

    Wouldn't a few of these herbs be better cycled in longer durations to get their overall intended effect? IE: Lions Mane, Ashwaganda, Rhodiola, Cordyceps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grape Ape View Post
    Have you any experience with stacking two or more herbs each day?

    I've been cycling seven test boosters since your last suggestion, and I do enjoy it. I will continue, but I don't necessarily get that WOW factor from each herb like you mention. Just better peramiters all around. Is there any reason to think that a higher dose would be better when cycling in this fashion?

    Wouldn't a few of these herbs be better cycled in longer durations to get their overall intended effect? IE: Lions Mane, Ashwaganda, Rhodiola, Cordyceps.
    If you've been rotating seven herbs since the last time I suggested this, then you are certainly not getting everything you can out of them as it was almost a year ago since that last post. I always suggest to start with seven and add on as funds become available. The more herbs you cycle, the more you increase your chance to get the "wow factor." Seeing as it's been a whole year and you've been cycling the same seven herbs, you're most likely going a little stale. Should you increase the time between taking each herb from every 7 days to say, every 14 days, or even better, every 21 days, you will get a bigger punch out of that herb the next time you finally take it. You could increase the dose and keep it at a 7 day rotation, and you will get better results.....for a short while.... but you're just going to be on your way to losing the magic with that herb by doing that. Increasing the time between dosages will yield you better results.

    One of the reasons more herbs in the cycle works so much better is that not all herbs increase Testosterone in the same fashion. by including as many different herbs as you can, you're hitting it from all possible angles. You NEVER get stale when you're operating on a 21 day cycle. As I mentioned the only downside is getting all of the herbs and the cost factor. That's why if you get one or two a month, or whatever you can afford, you build your stash quite significantly. Before you know it you're running a nice three week cycle and feeling awesome. I wish everyone could do it and see exactly what I'm talking about.

    I have of course experimented with stacking several herbs at a time, but then you can't use them properly for a week or two, so if you're going to experiment, keep that in mind. Some of my favorite combo's are: Tonkat and Tribulus (liftmode) (This makes you feel god like.....no joke) Ginseng and Cistanche and Cordyceps and Rhodiola (awesome endurance combo) Also, when you take your herbs, wash them down with some caffeine for an added boost. I always take mine straight in the morning on an empty stomach and wash them down with a cup of coffee or tea, depending on my mood and what I'm doing that day. The caffeine takes things with the herbs to another level. Try it.

    In regards to some of these and duration.....the adaptagens have a little more leeway with usage as do the straight up T boosters. And yes, you're correct with the lions mane, you can use that daily with good results because it's not a T booster, more of a brain booster, but a better brain leads to a better body, for sure. I say this just so that I don't have to split hairs. If I start to differentiate with these, then I'll have everyone asking me can I take "fill in the blank with the herb" for more then one day a week?

    You guys here of course are alot more educated then most folks when it comes to things like this. So at this site, these differentiation's can be made without too much trouble. Still though......space those T boosters out. As far as possible. If you can ever find a way to get yourself on a 21 day cycle, you WILL have that wow factor.
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    Hey man thanks for posting that herb cycle again, really helpful.

    What do you find to be the sweet spot with dosage, do you follow the recommendations on supermanherbs.com?

    I'm coming off my third extended water fast, how many days of refeeding would you recommend before starting up with the herbs?

    Also regarding water fast, I did a lot of research on your posts and saw some updated info: do you still recommend an extended raw food diet or how soon would you recommend going back into carb backloading? Will probably juice and raw feed for a week or two and then backload again and start the herbs at that time.

    Thanks so much CD for all your helpful info. I have so much respect for the effort you put into helping other people and the more I recover the more proud I am of your achievements. Rock on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanksgiving View Post
    Hey man thanks for posting that herb cycle again, really helpful.

    What do you find to be the sweet spot with dosage, do you follow the recommendations on supermanherbs.com?

    I'm coming off my third extended water fast, how many days of refeeding would you recommend before starting up with the herbs?

    Also regarding water fast, I did a lot of research on your posts and saw some updated info: do you still recommend an extended raw food diet or how soon would you recommend going back into carb backloading? Will probably juice and raw feed for a week or two and then backload again and start the herbs at that time.

    Thanks so much CD for all your helpful info. I have so much respect for the effort you put into helping other people and the more I recover the more proud I am of your achievements. Rock on!
    Let's stay on topic.....not going to go into the other stuff. PM me for that.

    I'd be refed for a month before starting herb cycling. Dosages can be played with for sure. What works for some isn't going to work for others and vice versa. You may need more, you may need less. There isn't really a one size fits all build here. The only thing you need to do is to make sure you're spacing your herbs as far apart as you possibly can for the most pay back possible. The only way to do that is to stock up on as many as you can over time. Believe me on this. If you think you feel good now, follow this one thing and it will take you to the next level.

    People don't really do the 21 day cycle because of financial reasons and I get that. But if you want these results, this is what you have to do.

    And if financial reasons are an issue, which to most they are, get on SH's mailing list. They are constantly sending discounts for one thing or another. You'll catch better deals this way and you'll be able to add to your stock quicker, and cheaper.
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    It has been my understanding that in the case of Pine Pollen and Royal Jelly, those are best to be taken daily since they contain amounts of actual testosterone and male hormones, whereas the other herbs are best cycled.

    Are there any on your list that you take daily or is everything in a cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    It has been my understanding that in the case of Pine Pollen and Royal Jelly, those are best to be taken daily since they contain amounts of actual testosterone and male hormones, whereas the other herbs are best cycled.

    Are there any on your list that you take daily or is everything in a cycle?
    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    It has been my understanding that in the case of Pine Pollen and Royal Jelly, those are best to be taken daily since they contain amounts of actual testosterone and male hormones, whereas the other herbs are best cycled.

    Are there any on your list that you take daily or is everything in a cycle?
    Pine pollen contains T, that is true, however taken orally as pollen in its raw form the T in it gets almost entirely consumed by the digestion process. The main benefit of pine pollen taken this way is the nutrients, vitamins, trace elements contained, which will raise T naturally. If you want the T containing benefits of pine pollen, you need to take it as an extract in the form of liquid tincture by absorbing it either through the mouth or anus. Doing this is akin to TRT though, exogenous T will always be suppressive, so IMO this makes little sense. I imagine the same is true for royal jelly, but i do not know about its content of T or vitamins etc.
    So as with CD's earlier explanation concerning which are T boosters and which do the same but via less direct means - such as via nutrient content or nootropic capabilities - if you really want to hit every avenue, then yes you could take pine pollen daily simply for its nutritional value, not as a tincture, while rotating all the other herbs that directly affect the HTPA axis. Bottom line though is that if you employ this level of detail (which i did for a while) you can get stressed by all the stuff you have to take and when, and it costs more and more. Better i think to just buy the list that CD has suggested and free your mind of the detail, just rotate the whole thing. It works. My last T level was over 900 natty, just those herbs + good mind and lifestyle, and i don't stress over them - ie if i go on holiday i'm not taking anything for that period.
    One thing not on that list is spirulina, i take that everyday, it is the most densely populated natural substance on earth with vitamins, minerals and protein and it's cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English View Post
    Pine pollen contains T, that is true, however taken orally as pollen in its raw form the T in it gets almost entirely consumed by the digestion process. The main benefit of pine pollen taken this way is the nutrients, vitamins, trace elements contained, which will raise T naturally. If you want the T containing benefits of pine pollen, you need to take it as an extract in the form of liquid tincture by absorbing it either through the mouth or anus. Doing this is akin to TRT though, exogenous T will always be suppressive, so IMO this makes little sense. I imagine the same is true for royal jelly, but i do not know about its content of T or vitamins etc.
    So as with CD's earlier explanation concerning which are T boosters and which do the same but via less direct means - such as via nutrient content or nootropic capabilities - if you really want to hit every avenue, then yes you could take pine pollen daily simply for its nutritional value, not as a tincture, while rotating all the other herbs that directly affect the HTPA axis. Bottom line though is that if you employ this level of detail (which i did for a while) you can get stressed by all the stuff you have to take and when, and it costs more and more. Better i think to just buy the list that CD has suggested and free your mind of the detail, just rotate the whole thing. It works. My last T level was over 900 natty, just those herbs + good mind and lifestyle, and i don't stress over them - ie if i go on holiday i'm not taking anything for that period.
    One thing not on that list is spirulina, i take that everyday, it is the most densely populated natural substance on earth with vitamins, minerals and protein and it's cheap.
    10-4 on the tincture. If you recall, I actually ran a log on it a while back and advocated for its use, considering the destruction of hormones by GI juices.

    Wesley also ran a mini log when I sent him a bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English View Post
    Pine pollen contains T, that is true, however taken orally as pollen in its raw form the T in it gets almost entirely consumed by the digestion process. The main benefit of pine pollen taken this way is the nutrients, vitamins, trace elements contained, which will raise T naturally. If you want the T containing benefits of pine pollen, you need to take it as an extract in the form of liquid tincture by absorbing it either through the mouth or anus. Doing this is akin to TRT though, exogenous T will always be suppressive, so IMO this makes little sense. I imagine the same is true for royal jelly, but i do not know about its content of T or vitamins etc.
    So as with CD's earlier explanation concerning which are T boosters and which do the same but via less direct means - such as via nutrient content or nootropic capabilities - if you really want to hit every avenue, then yes you could take pine pollen daily simply for its nutritional value, not as a tincture, while rotating all the other herbs that directly affect the HTPA axis. Bottom line though is that if you employ this level of detail (which i did for a while) you can get stressed by all the stuff you have to take and when, and it costs more and more. Better i think to just buy the list that CD has suggested and free your mind of the detail, just rotate the whole thing. It works. My last T level was over 900 natty, just those herbs + good mind and lifestyle, and i don't stress over them - ie if i go on holiday i'm not taking anything for that period.
    One thing not on that list is spirulina, i take that everyday, it is the most densely populated natural substance on earth with vitamins, minerals and protein and it's cheap.
    That is exactly why I recommend just cycling everything. You can practically "set it and forget it" and the results are ALWAYS amazing. ANYONE that has done this with a large amount of herbs in their cycle has completely changed the way they feel in the course of a few weeks. It's that powerful. And, the results continue to grow over time. It really is fantastic.

    About spirulina.....definitely a good one, and one that I take daily along with chlorella. I take them after my workouts as they are LOADED with vitamins and minerals not to mention protein. Definitely a few good add ons here if you can afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    It has been my understanding that in the case of Pine Pollen and Royal Jelly, those are best to be taken daily since they contain amounts of actual testosterone and male hormones, whereas the other herbs are best cycled.

    Are there any on your list that you take daily or is everything in a cycle?
    You are absolutely correct. Again, I'm used to dealing with a very, very different crowd. I try and keep things simple out of habit anymore as the more in detail I get the more I end up confusing alot of guys. This place as I had mentioned, is different in that regards.

    What I would personally take daily and have, for some periods of time are:

    Pine Pollen Powder and extract
    Royal Jelly
    Maca (is actually a food)
    Suma Root extract.

    And again, alot of the adaptogens are flexible in their dosing and producing the desired effects. Now, to clarify, when I say take these daily, I would take one of them daily for awhile and then switch to something else. So take PP daily for a month or so, then jump on the Royal jelly for a month, etc. You can certainly try them all at once on a daily basis, but I don't see the need to do that. So even these are being cycled, just not everyday.
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