Need help overcoming hopefully my final stages of PFS

[English]

They're right you know. This isn't six months. Or a year. Or two years. And magically you'll end up healed. It's a lifestyle choice that results in improvements overtime. I can't speak for these guys but I didn't wake up on morning and run down the street yelling "I'm cured!, hallelujah I'm cured!" I actually realised one day that the only symptom I still had was tinnitus... Was a good day. Still keeping up the lifestyle though.

Same for me, gradual recovery with many sudden noticeable uplifts, then backwards a bit, then another level a month or 2 later, and at some point i realised that sex wasn't an issue anymore, that i kept looking at girls again, that i was no different to any other man, except that i was stronger, fitter than them, like Entropy said, i noticed this over time, so no one day was full of relief and celebration, and actually when i realised for sure that i was recovered, it was nothing, i just carried on with my day, i think mainly because i knew i wasn't gunna wallow in that shit state for long, it was a passing phase, i was metaphorically back in army training, and (after i got over the initial shitting myself phase) it was nothing more than that, i never moaned about symptoms, i never made a massive deal out of it, just did what i knew was right to recover my health. One of the big reasons guys spend so long in the condition is because they make such a massive deal out of it and keep re-inforcing their fears on a daily basis on forums like PH.

[Cdsnuts]

Four steps forward, one or two steps back. As long as you're making forward progress there is nothing to worry about.

[Atticas]

You're still not getting it though, because you're saying "if 6 months is what it takes then i'll do it", like it's some kind of ordeal that must be got out of the way and then stopped. This is a way of life, not water fasting obviously, but fasting is the start point, then living ridiculously healthy has to be the way of life for you - as a minimum for 2 years, regardless of recovery, and when you've lived like that for so long and felt the benefits, then it will likely become something you want to do for life anyhow.
The problem you will have with your current mindset is that you won't be feeling positive about things that are hard to do. Fasting is hard, sprints and calisthnetics are hard, sticking to a diet is hard, especially when suffering to whatever degree, so you have to enjoy all these disciplines and get jacked up by doing them, not thinking "phew, just 4 months left of this shit"
You have to have the right mindset for all of this, cd will certainly agree with me on this.
Right now you will definitely fail, i would bet my house on it. You need to do some thinking about the person you want to be and you need to see this as an opportunity to test your character.

I shouldn't have wrote it that way... basically what I mean to say is "six MORE months" of trying something different in hopes of defeating PFS once and for all. I've already been trying to fight this disease in multiple different ways... this will just be a new way I look forward to committing to. It's been hard for me to discern which way to go about fighting this for a long time. I mean, since the very beginning of my fight, i've seen people posting all sorts of theories and I've read all sorts of scientific backings for these multiple theories had... but this definitely seems to be the right place for me to have finally landed, with so many of you having actually healed and all seemingly relying on the same protocol instead of relying on MULTIPLE different theories spread throughout MULTIPLE different threads.

Anyways, my diet is already borderline paleo as it is (other that the sugar I occasionally indulge in), I've been writing up diet plans and eating mostly gluten-free, dairy-free since I was in college, and i'm certainly not afraid of exercise, considering I've been a gym fanatic and athletic type person since age 14. This won't be near my toughest challenge yet.

So if you're betting your house on me not having enough willpower to stick through this, expect to lose the house.

[Atticas]

Alright, so it looks like my boss is gonna schedule me for a 7-11 day vacation starting around May 13th. Since I've got all that extra time to prepare, I guess I will go with the juice feast after all as I'll have time to buy and prepare everything. I would have liked to have just done the water fast now, but I work in too much of a stressful, customer service environment and if it must wait, I might as well get some nutrition out of my fast. I called up my uncle and talked with him about it (he's been familiar with juicing for a while) and he apparently wants to go on the fast with me when I start, so that'll be fun.

After I get back from vacation, I'll look to order creatine HCL, B Complex, Magnesium Complex, He Shou Wu, Pine Pollen, Ant Extract, Ashwaganda, Cistanche, Tongkat, and Maral Root. I've already got Fish Oils so we're good there.

I'll continue to exercise, meditate, hydrate, and perform HITT training at least once to twice per week (which will be fun since I love running on this one track late at night close to my house), while also eating a Paleo diet and re-working my eating habits so I can carb backload at night.

I'll keep you guys updated and thanks again!

[English]

I shouldn't have wrote it that way... basically what I mean to say is "six MORE months" of trying something different in hopes of defeating PFS once and for all. I've already been trying to fight this disease in multiple different ways... this will just be a new way I look forward to committing to. It's been hard for me to discern which way to go about fighting this for a long time. I mean, since the very beginning of my fight, i've seen people posting all sorts of theories and I've read all sorts of scientific backings for these multiple theories had... but this definitely seems to be the right place for me to have finally landed, with so many of you having actually healed and all seemingly relying on the same protocol instead of relying on MULTIPLE different theories spread throughout MULTIPLE different threads.

Anyways, my diet is already borderline paleo as it is (other that the sugar I occasionally indulge in), I've been writing up diet plans and eating mostly gluten-free, dairy-free since I was in college, and i'm certainly not afraid of exercise, considering I've been a gym fanatic and athletic type person since age 14. This won't be near my toughest challenge yet.

So if you're betting your house on me not having enough willpower to stick through this, expect to lose the house.

Good, it's just a paleo type diet though not strict paleo, in fact strict paleo people argue over what is strict paleo so best not to get too caught up in it. Dairy fine if your not intolerant and high fat dairy like cheese and cream is good for T. For me dairy is a key component. High quality animal fat and meat, high fat diet in general, lots of veg, eggs, nuts, that kind of thing. Very important to eat as organic as possible, no processed sugar at all.
This way is the only way. I've not seen any recovery stories involving chemical assistance that - when taken away - leaves a state of full recovery, and the vast majority of HRT fail within 30 days to 2 months, leaving those who are "successful" slightly better off but not living full lives. I saw a quote from one of the guys being treated by one of the two famous doc in this area - shippen i think - that basically outlined how the doc admitted he had never in all the years treating post fin, had a succesful long term result.
It's this way or nothing, unless you are one of the guys that just spontaneously recover 3 to 15 years out, and by doing the regimen, you're not blocking that possibility either. Note: Every "spontaneous" recovery i've read about also involves the guy disappearing from forums - basically giving up on trying to find an answer - and just living healthily, which is basically the regimen, except we put rocket boosters under the fucker and improvements are felt pretty much quarterly if not monthly.

Never mention any symptom again, stop screaming at the mirror as that doesn't help does it, and believe me, you are much bigger and better looking than you think you are, part of this stuff is body dysmorphia and you have to recognise that to move forward.


I wouldn't bet my house now as your mindset may be changing, but i would still bet a lot, so yeah, prove me wrong.

[English]

Alright, so it looks like my boss is gonna schedule me for a 7-11 day vacation starting around May 13th. Since I've got all that extra time to prepare, I guess I will go with the juice feast after all as I'll have time to buy and prepare everything. I would have liked to have just done the water fast now, but I work in too much of a stressful, customer service environment and if it must wait, I might as well get some nutrition out of my fast. I called up my uncle and talked with him about it (he's been familiar with juicing for a while) and he apparently wants to go on the fast with me when I start, so that'll be fun.

After I get back from vacation, I'll look to order creatine HCL, B Complex, Magnesium Complex, He Shou Wu, Pine Pollen, Ant Extract, Ashwaganda, Cistanche, Tongkat, and Maral Root. I've already got Fish Oils so we're good there.

I'll continue to exercise, meditate, hydrate, and perform HITT training at least once to twice per week (which will be fun since I love running on this one track late at night close to my house), while also eating a Paleo diet and re-working my eating habits so I can carb backload at night.

I'll keep you guys updated and thanks again!

Now you're on the right track. Remember to improve your regimen at least every month to keep it fresh, you must have something new to look forward to, so keep improving it, adding to it as then on your bad days you can still think "ah but next month i'm adding this as well" etc. Never forget this thing requires a free, happy, inspired mind to drive your body forwards. I have a funny plaque on the wall on the bottom of the stairs with a dopey looking dog in a basket and a thought bubble that says "today i'm going to be magnificent" and i see it every morning after i get up, and that shit helps, because you can't argue with it, i mean why the fuck should i have an average day when it's my choice to be good, bad, shit, average or magnificent. I choose magnificent every day, and my body follows.
I'm not stealing any of CD's thunder in my replies to you here and before, because i know him very well and i know he agrees with every word. He is also much more knowledgeable than me in the whole area of health and fitness and i learn stuff from him each month if not on a weekly basis. I recommend you crack on with his programme, bin all forums apart from this one, and even on this one don't engage in a load of pfs talk, just read what guys like CD are doing in the normal areas of health and fitness. Basically live normally, but as a super healthy guy with some herbal rotation, permanently, that's all it is at the end of the day.

[Atticas]

Good, it's just a paleo type diet though not strict paleo, in fact strict paleo people argue over what is strict paleo so best not to get too caught up in it. Dairy fine if your not intolerant and high fat dairy like cheese and cream is good for T. For me dairy is a key component. High quality animal fat and meat, high fat diet in general, lots of veg, eggs, nuts, that kind of thing. Very important to eat as organic as possible, no processed sugar at all.
This way is the only way. I've not seen any recovery stories involving chemical assistance that - when taken away - leaves a state of full recovery, and the vast majority of HRT fail within 30 days to 2 months, leaving those who are "successful" slightly better off but not living full lives. I saw a quote from one of the guys being treated by one of the two famous doc in this area - shippen i think - that basically outlined how the doc admitted he had never in all the years treating post fin, had a succesful long term result.
It's this way or nothing, unless you are one of the guys that just spontaneously recover 3 to 15 years out, and by doing the regimen, you're not blocking that possibility either. Note: Every "spontaneous" recovery i've read about also involves the guy disappearing from forums - basically giving up on trying to find an answer - and just living healthily, which is basically the regimen, except we put rocket boosters under the fucker and improvements are felt pretty much quarterly if not monthly.

Never mention any symptom again, stop screaming at the mirror as that doesn't help does it, and believe me, you are much bigger and better looking than you think you are, part of this stuff is body dysmorphia and you have to recognise that to move forward.


I wouldn't bet my house now as your mindset may be changing, but i would still bet a lot, so yeah, prove me wrong.

Thanks for the positivity man.

I honestly think I'm headed in the right track here and I'm excited for it. I don't think it's going to happen that I'd have to wait 3 to 15 years for this to fall off. Based off of the different success stories I've read from propeciahelp and solvepfs, it really just sounds like you've got to make some big changes in your health and fitness, take good certain herbs and probiotics, and just kill whatever the fuck in your body is not allowing you to return back to normal....

....and that's what I'm going to do. I'm gonna kill the fucker in my body and I'm gonna grow back into the beast I know I could be all along.

[Grape Ape]

Good for you.

This style is how I started recovering g from designer oral steroid abuse in my late teens. Took a long time to figure out, and I headed this way before I even knew of CDN's method, but he has been nothing but I wonder.

Healthy lifestyle+proper herbal supplementation were the two biggies, but fixing my mentality and mind was even bigger. I'm still working on the later, but it is the biggest piece of the puzzle to me.

My next move is to "Face my fears."


Eliminating/limiting porn was very helpfull as well.

[Atticas]

Good for you.

This style is how I started recovering g from designer oral steroid abuse in my late teens. Took a long time to figure out, and I headed this way before I even knew of CDN's method, but he has been nothing but I wonder.

Healthy lifestyle+proper herbal supplementation were the two biggies, but fixing my mentality and mind was even bigger. I'm still working on the later, but it is the biggest piece of the puzzle to me.

My next move is to "Face my fears."


Eliminating/limiting porn was very helpfull as well.

We've got a no fapper here? hahah

I have to agree with you somewhat. I think porn as well as frequent masturbation to porn must have some kind of psychological consequence to it, as well as hormonal. There's so many threads of guys discussing why they think porn caused some of their hair loss in the first place as well as guys discussing how they think NOT watching porn and NOT fapping has caused them to grow it back.

It sucks that there's no definite studies on this kind of thing, but I think it's helpful as well.

[Cdsnuts]

We've got a no fapper here? hahah

I have to agree with you somewhat. I think porn as well as frequent masturbation to porn must have some kind of psychological consequence to it, as well as hormonal. There's so many threads of guys discussing why they think porn caused some of their hair loss in the first place as well as guys discussing how they think NOT watching porn and NOT fapping has caused them to grow it back.

It sucks that there's no definite studies on this kind of thing, but I think it's helpful as well.

You should join the no fapping club as well, tbh. Porn induced ED is real. Bottom line....if you want to get off, go chase women as we were designed to do. This causes a whole cascade of hormones which results in increased Testosterone. Having sex with women as we were also designed to do also causes a positive effect on mens sex hormones. We weren't meant to beat it to a glass box as our primary form of sexual release.

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