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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca View Post
    I have been dosing the pine pollen three times per day for the past few days, and hopefully it will start working to balance me out. I'll stick with it.

    This is actually my theory about what is happening with me. In the past, I have gotten my testosterone very low from fasting, and then when my testosterone starts increasing I aromatize slowly until my recovery goes away - even if my estrogen levels are within range. I don't know what to think about it to be honest though...

    Sent you a PM, CD.
    I sometimes wonder if I aromatize too much still too even though I make good progress. I can definitely relate to you on the frustration of levels being "in range". Makes it hard to determine which aspects of your regimen you need to tweak. Whole damn thing can be so frustrating at times.
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    I want to figure out why I came back to %110 recovery directly after my fast.

    I know my T was 150 at the end of the fast. I started eating, taking herbs and moving around... 2 days later I had that huge improvement. Why would I be slowly fading now? That's the big question. A couple of things point to estrogen being the culprit, but I couldn't say for sure.

    Going to drive 8 hours to NYC on Thursday to see my gf. Can't say I'm anxiety-free...

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    Just pop a cialis man that is what I would do and have done.

    It could be that your receptors are just sensitive to estrogen. That is the case for me. I have a good hormonal profile but if I touch anything remotely estrogenic and 5ARI's I get the symptoms of estrogen dominance. So just stick through , I have ups and downs as well.

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    Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.

    Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TubZy View Post
    Just pop a cialis man that is what I would do and have done.

    It could be that your receptors are just sensitive to estrogen. That is the case for me. I have a good hormonal profile but if I touch anything remotely estrogenic and 5ARI's I get the symptoms of estrogen dominance. So just stick through , I have ups and downs as well.
    I'm wondering if I am really sensitive to estrogen too. I had mild gyno starting when I was a teen and low testosterone. I rarely had ED before taking finasteride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.

    Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!

    Yeah, I've been taking cialis 5 mg daily for most of the last year and a half since finasteride. It's still not that strong with cialis. When I experience recovery and have that 5 mg, it's like a steel rod. Now it's much less strong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.

    Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!
    It's exactly this....the baggage is what is going to bother you more than anything. You fail a couple times and that shit gets stuck in your head and played on repeat every single time you go to do the deed. Rather then focusing on your woman, her pleasure, her body, the way she is feeling, you're thinking is my dick gonna work. That's the quickest way for your dick not to work. You lose track of what you should actually be focusing on. This is where learning to calm your mind and centering yourself comes into play. When you get good at it, a couple deep breathes and you're back into the present moment, where you need to be. This is a skill that gets stronger with time and the more you use it. Definitely something that is useful in life for all moments where you need to be centered.

    I use this and so have others with fantastic results: http://www.centerpointe.com/?aid=374012. Of course you don' t have to have this, it just makes learning this skill a little easier.

    So much of PFS damage is done in the beginning when you crash and then you're left with the mental baggage from this which is why this thing persists so long for alot of guys. Get your mind in control and half the battle is won.
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    Yeah, I'm pretty good about relaxing myself in bed and getting my girl really aroused. That still doesn't bring my steel rod back even if I'm by myself with no anxiety. The only thing that I've seen bring back the steel is if my hormones shift, and at those times it has been only temporary. The strong shifts due to starting TRT injections or an AI only last briefly. Small doses of TRT cream last a bit longer. Supplementing with DHEA and other lighter stuff can give me a longer temporary recovery. That's why I think using the herbs and healthy lifestyle may be able to gently balance me out and lead to permanent recovery.

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    On another note, I had a big day at the mailbox. I received my tococaps and 4 new SMHs:

    Tongkat (I guess the little stick measure is one 100 mg serving)
    Maral Root
    Black Ant
    Cistanche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca View Post
    On another note, I had a big day at the mailbox. I received my tococaps and 4 new SMHs:

    Tongkat (I guess the little stick measure is one 100 mg serving)
    Maral Root
    Black Ant
    Cistanche
    You're going to enjoy the tongkat. Best stuff you'll ever get, imo
    Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"

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