TRT pre PFS- now POST

[Cdsnuts]

It took me some time to decide to do this- but started clomid today to begin restart. Was using hcg mono before- but realize I need to start from the top if I ever want to recover. Started TRT 8 months ago (5 months great, 1 while 15days of fin/recovery, 1 month horrible fin crash, January was just realizing TRT wasn't good for this, February HCG mono). This is first time I am relying on LH/FSH in 8 months. I feel braindead, I feel horrible, I feel nothing down low for the very first time in my life. This is clearly rock bottom other than panic attacks mid-crash.

Coming off clomid is going to be tough. Thinking I will do a triptorelin injection when clomid comes out to get things going even more. Then it will be onto using a combination of CD's and Mario Vitali's DNA stuff. I have severe chronic fatigue/adrenal fatigue. Believe my only shot of getting myself out of this is fighting from all angles.

Realize testosterone cream caused major anxiety- every time I used it. Libido was fine on it (dht), but body's testosterone response was horrible. On HCG mono, I tried to reintroduce testo several times and it just failed each time. Initially it would feel pretty decent, but within 4 hours I would get anxiety.

CDS, did you ever supplement with testosterone before you went and did your amazing journey? Or just DHT/prohormones?

I never took ANYTHING before my journey but fin. I wasn't into hormones or gear or anything. I knew nothing about it before getting PFS.

Once I started the healing process, it was just DHT based prohormones. Never testosterone. Exogenous hormones, the ones that DON'T have to be reduced to target, aren't going to do you any good.

And, if you're going the route you're going, I'm not going to be of much help to you.

I've stated my opinion on the matter before, and I'll do so again. You're not doing yourself any good by messing with clomid or triptorelin. These things are just going to serve to mess up your already messed up system.

Others have already warned you, but you seem to be hell bent on sticking to the pharmaceuticals.

Good luck to you.

[bruschi11]

You don't stop an 8 month "steroid" cycle by breaking without proper PCT. Clomid, triptorelin- these are just to get me off the "steroid" this next month. To get the hypothalamus begin its production of hormones. Never mind the fact that I have absolutely rock bottom cortisol right now which clomid helps restart as well.

Besides preg, prog, t3, pharmeceuticals will be out of the picture within 4-6 weeks. I get it- this will be hell, but I'm just using the pharms for time being to even be able to get to the spot where you were before your journey.

[Cdsnuts]

You don't stop an 8 month "steroid" cycle by breaking without proper PCT. Clomid, triptorelin- these are just to get me off the "steroid" this next month. To get the hypothalamus begin its production of hormones. Never mind the fact that I have absolutely rock bottom cortisol right now which clomid helps restart as well.

Besides preg, prog, t3, pharmeceuticals will be out of the picture within 4-6 weeks. I get it- this will be hell, but I'm just using the pharms for time being to even be able to get to the spot where you were before your journey.

I see.

[holyhead]

I saw best Neuro brain hormone guy in LA.. Exhaustive testing, and several supplements later my mind is almost pre finasteride state..I thought I was done for and pray to God it lasts..Clomid 50mg every other day..Only done it for 3 weeks and I cannot believe the difference night and day...Now my physical symptoms remain, huge amount of fat and swelling fluid retention but I am so grateful for the mental relief..

[bruschi11]

Just took my last dose of clomid. Gonna make it a one week restart. Anxiety up the ying yang.

Pretty sure I'm going to head to Texas by April for a two week water fast. Dr. Cinque's retreat- I like the idea of acupuncture and massage therapy there. California is just too much on the wallet at this time for me.

Currently tapering off all caffeine, benzos, clomid, all this horrible stuff that has gone into body and will start following a controlled regime. Will be following CD'S stuff and Mario Vitali's DNA stuff from here on out as I get this stuff out of my system beginning with the water fast.

[Cdsnuts]

Just took my last dose of clomid. Gonna make it a one week restart. Anxiety up the ying yang.

Pretty sure I'm going to head to Texas by April for a two week water fast. Dr. Cinque's retreat- I like the idea of acupuncture and massage therapy there. California is just too much on the wallet at this time for me.

Currently tapering off all caffeine, benzos, clomid, all this horrible stuff that has gone into body and will start following a controlled regime. Will be following CD'S stuff and Mario Vitali's DNA stuff from here on out as I get this stuff out of my system beginning with the water fast.

Be careful coming off the benzos. They can be tough all on their own.

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[bruschi11]

Be careful coming off the benzos. They can be tough all on their own.

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Appreciate it CD. Shilajit actually is great for coming off these (I go very low dose anyways). It also seems like any type of T boosting (HCG, cyp,T cream, now clomid) all increase anxiety- cream being the most. So while I finish off clomid I will remain on benzos- I will then have a "clomid crash". I'll feel horribly depressed, but anxiety should decrease significantly. That is when I will stop the benzos. Should be within several days.

I truly am starting to believe this is all hormonal and neurotransmitter this disease and nothing to do with the AR. Increasing androgens I believe depletes Prog and its metabolites. I believe prog and its metabolites are the most important thing for us getting back to health #1 and then #2 androgens come last.

Do you have any advice for before water fast? I am hearing just fruits and veggies, raw food for a couple weeks before and then just juicing for 2 or 3 days before. I'm not thrilled about doing this, but I believe since I left myself making zero progress and in hell for these last 3 months, I believe this is absolutely necessary to save my life.

[Cdsnuts]

Appreciate it CD. Shilajit actually is great for coming off these (I go very low dose anyways). It also seems like any type of T boosting (HCG, cyp,T cream, now clomid) all increase anxiety- cream being the most. So while I finish off clomid I will remain on benzos- I will then have a "clomid crash". I'll feel horribly depressed, but anxiety should decrease significantly. That is when I will stop the benzos. Should be within several days.

I truly am starting to believe this is all hormonal and neurotransmitter this disease and nothing to do with the AR. Increasing androgens I believe depletes Prog and its metabolites. I believe prog and its metabolites are the most important thing for us getting back to health #1 and then #2 androgens come last.

Do you have any advice for before water fast? I am hearing just fruits and veggies, raw food for a couple weeks before and then just juicing for 2 or 3 days before. I'm not thrilled about doing this, but I believe since I left myself making zero progress and in hell for these last 3 months, I believe this is absolutely necessary to save my life.

Based on my own experiences and the experiences of others, I disagree with androgens coming last. Without them, life is pretty miserable for a man.

I don't suggest doing a water fast on your own if you've never done one before. That is something that needs to be done at a water fasting clinic for a long list of reasons, your safety and sanity being one of them.

[bruschi11]

Based on my own experiences and the experiences of others, I disagree with androgens coming last. Without them, life is pretty miserable for a man.

I don't suggest doing a water fast on your own if you've never done one before. That is something that needs to be done at a water fasting clinic for a long list of reasons, your safety and sanity being one of them.

Believe I'm going to Texas for it. "Dr. Cinque's retreat". I guess he's been monitoring fasters for 40 years.

[Cdsnuts]

Believe I'm going to Texas for it. "Dr. Cinque's retreat". I guess he's been monitoring fasters for 40 years.

Awesome man! You're doing it right.

They may have a protocol for you to follow before hand. Did you set the appointment with them yet? They will usually send you a fasters check list of things you need to do and avoid prior to coming to the center.

He may have not heard of PFS, so you may need to explain to him what it is and why you're wanting to cleanse. I'm going to look him up. I've never heard of him before.....

Not that that matters. The only thing that does matter is he has the experience of time and hundreds if not thousands of fasters under his supervision.

It's going to be an experience to say the least. But you can rest easier knowing that you're in a place that caters to this exact thing.

That alone makes a world of difference when your mind starts playing tricks on you due to detox. There probably hasn't been any situation he hasn't seen and he's probably seen way worse cases then your own. That should be comforting.

Edit: Just checked him out. He's trained with Dr. Shelton who was the man in natural hygiene. You should be in good hands.

I'm not sure how strict he is in regards to moving around....some places literally want you to do NOTHING...like barely move around. This is for your own benefit and makes for an extremely powerful fast. Take the time to stretch, do breathing exercises, practice your meditation and focus on being in the present.

I'm very interested in your experience there as I haven't heard of anyone using that facility before . Keep me posted!

For anyone who is interested in checking out this information: Fasting Retreats, Centers, Resorts Clinics | Juice Fasting Retreats By Ralph Cinque

To compare, this is where I go: TrueNorth Health Center