Been a long time coming! Overwhelmed and don't know where to start.

[K8668B]

The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them....

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I can imagine! I looked them up on your TMO link. They looked so powerful and godlike. I seriously want to get my hands on them. I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to these herbs.

[K8668B]

When you say water fasting isn't a problem for you, what do you mean? I always suggest doing this at a clinic, but that's going to cost money and time. Water fasting is an intense experience and if you've never done one before it is always a good idea to be in an environment that supports such an endevour. And environment with doctors who are familiar with the process. You're going to want to do AT LEAST seven days. This is easier said then done, especially at home.

Your diet doesn't look that bad, but your sandwiches should be on gluten free bread. If you haven't already, you have to cut out ALL dietary allergens. You also need to add more greens and vegetables. One or two green smoothies a day would suffice in this regards.

Prohormones are not necessary but they certainly speed up the time line of recovery. It's going to effect your hair, so you need to decide how you want to proceed here. Once guys get hit with PFS, they usually stop caring about their hair and just want more then anything to be healthy and functional again.

The timeline of recovery is different for everyone depending on how bad of a state they are currently in. I've had some guys get almost healed in six months, and then others take more time. The other variable here is how strictly they stick to the protocol. If you're in 100% you're going to get there quicker then if you only go at it 75%.

I get that you've lost years of your life....I would say that I've lost about ten years from the time I started propecia to the time I finally considered myself recovered.

Put it this way....if you do nothing, you're going to continue to lose more time being in that hellish state. The sooner you give it your all, the sooner you're going to be living life to the fullest again. You can't do anything about the time you've already lost, but you can do something to stop losing time to PFS. It doesn't matter how long it takes because you don't have any other options! When you go at it full bore you can rest assured knowing that you're doing everything in your power to get well and STOP WASTING your life. Whether this takes six months or two years, it doesn't matter because if you were doing nothing about it you wouldn't be getting anywhere closer to your goal.

On whether or not you can enjoy your life while doing the regimen.....are you enjoying your life now?

You are the only one who can make happiness in your life. The answer to this question is up to you. I don't see why you can't chase women while doing the recovery protocol. Again this is your call. You can chase women now but you really can't do much with them because of this problem. At least while you're healing you're going to be getting closer to eliminating these problems from your life.

Your number one goal right now is to HEAL. You need to do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal. Would you rather continue to live a half assed or "fake" life for the next five or ten years or take the next year off and then be able to chase women SUCCESSFULLY for the rest of your life?

The answer is clear to most guys that have made up their minds to get well.

The way you're asking these question is coming across as if you're actually enjoying your life now. If that was the case there would be no need for all of this work. Right?

Tell me this...what is it about this endevour that makes you think you won't be enjoying your life? Your answer will shed alot of light on your current mindset.

About the water testing centers-

When i DO goto one of these places, should i mention PFS? Or will they just think I am crazy and retarded?

[Cdsnuts]

About the water testing centers-

When i DO goto one of these places, should i mention PFS? Or will they just think I am crazy and retarded?

I personally didn't, but there have been others that have gone after me, they may have. Maybe they can chime in here.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what they think. You can just tell them others have taken this same path and it's helped there condition so you are there do to the same.

[Swill]

I personally didn't, but there have been others that have gone after me, they may have. Maybe they can chime in here.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what they think. You can just tell them others have taken this same path and it's helped there condition so you are there do to the same.

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

[Cdsnuts]

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

Exactly.

The fasting in and of itself is not a "cure." It simply puts the body in the MOST receptive state for positive change by getting rid of all of the metabolic and artificial waste that is obstructing your system from being as efficient as it can be.

By building upon this clean system everything you do afterwords will go alot further in getting you to your destination.

And obviously I don't agree with their dietary recommendations, but as Swill said, use it for what's it's for, that is a safe place to do a medically supervised water fast.

[K8668B]

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

Thats good to know. Good to know that if i did mention post finasteride, they would be somewhat understanding. Im the type of dude that whenever I went to a doctor, etc, i would always spill my soul out, and be so passionate about seeking help, only to get somewhat given the "stank-eye", (not literally), and that feeling always agitated the shit out of me. I know the fasting isnt the cure, but i can absolutely see how its tied in. I've walked a long road, these feet are tired at 30 years old but still got alot left. Tired but hungry!

[Cdsnuts]

That's good, because you gotta be hungry to make it through to the other side. Too many guys simply just can't take it.

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[K8668B]

That's good, because you gotta be hungry to make it through to the other side. Too many guys simply just can't take it.

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Propecia side effects/pfs is a tough thing to cure/fix. It makes sense that the requirements to do so would be what they are. It's even making more sense to me now than it was 3 days ago!!

[K8668B]

I seem to have hit a roadblock. I have a little amount of cash saved, but even with the amount I have, its still nowhere near enough to goto a water fasting center. They seem to range from $1000-$2000. I have done alot of research in the last few days, and I can only seem to find two water fasting centers at the moment. One of them is TrueNorth, which is where some of the guys on the forum went to. I believe it was in Northern California, or Washington. I forget. The other is in South Florida, in the Fort. Lauderdale area. This one would be more ideal for me, since I live in North Florida. But these prices are ridiculous. I really believe that water fasting would be ideal too. But I can nowhere near afford this. How does juice fasting work?

[DrivenToRecover]

I seem to have hit a roadblock. I have a little amount of cash saved, but even with the amount I have, its still nowhere near enough to goto a water fasting center. They seem to range from $1000-$2000. I have done alot of research in the last few days, and I can only seem to find two water fasting centers at the moment. One of them is TrueNorth, which is where some of the guys on the forum went to. I believe it was in Northern California, or Washington. I forget. The other is in South Florida, in the Fort. Lauderdale area. This one would be more ideal for me, since I live in North Florida. But these prices are ridiculous. I really believe that water fasting would be ideal too. But I can nowhere near afford this. How does juice fasting work?

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