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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    Not to mention, the two forums set up for this syndrome prior to it being allowed here are cesspools of negativity.

    Why would anyone want to post a recovery there when it's going to be denied, critiqued, called "it was only because of time", or even better be personally attacked for just saying that you've seen the other side, just trying to give guys hope and help....Or my personal favorite, you didn't have TRUE PFS, or EXTREME PFS....

    Jealousy, and weakness, are two cruel, cruel beasts.
    "only because of time." Lol

    If it was only that easy to just sit back and wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    "only because of time." Lol

    If it was only that easy to just sit back and wait.

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    Honestly man, it's the worst accusation of em all lol. If it was just because of time I guess I can kick back, eat pizza and kill a case of beer every night for two years straight.....And voila!
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    Recovered as in ? Back to previous finasteride state. Full recovery no food or alcohol sensitivities. Discontinuation of supplements, rigorous dieting with no crashing or set backs for an extended period of time or up until this time. All mental, physical, sexual sides eliminated with no maintenance from any form of a regime. Restful sleep has returned. Is this the recovery that is possible from Cds protocal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betweenjobs View Post
    Recovered as in ? Back to previous finasteride state. Full recovery no food or alcohol sensitivities. Discontinuation of supplements, rigorous dieting with no crashing or set backs for an extended period of time or up until this time. All mental, physical, sexual sides eliminated with no maintenance from any form of a regime. Restful sleep has returned. Is this the recovery that is possible from Cds protocal?
    My man, not trying to be a dick but this question has been answered a thousand times over. There's literally a sticky on this question on this forum.
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    Chi also has a recovery post at solve PFS. I can copy and paste it here if anyone wants.

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    Please do! I'd like to see it. I'm still 100% on CDs protocol, as it makes the most sense to me, but id be interested in seeing what worked for this Chi person.
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    Chi's Recovery

    Here's the original post: SolvePFS Login

    "Hello

    I will follow this up with several sets of bloods from Bouloux’s lab in 2011 and then recent ones from 2016 shortly, then add the same post to PH. I will also add some photos from when I suffered and today.

    PFS

    PFS is essentially severe CFS with the root cause lying in the gut. For one reason or another finasteride disrupts the micro biotic balance in the gut and damages the gut lining. This results in malabsorption of nutrients and a prevalence of pathogens (not parasites). Pathogens are essentially disease causing bacteria (whereas parasites are organisms which can live off the body but be completely harmless).

    The downstream impact of problems in the gut is on the whole endocrine. For example Serotonin, a neurotransmitter and hormone found almost predominantly in the gut, is completely suppressed. Adequate serotonin is required for deep sleep, calming anxiety and relieving depression. It also assists in memory, regulates appetite, cell growth, wound healing, sexual desire and mood. On the contrary low serotonin causes anxiety, fatigue, insomnia and a host of other awful symptoms. This is just one hormonal impact of a dysfunctional gut, but there are others.

    Why us?

    The reason only a sub-set of finasteride users get affected is because this sub-set of people have a weaker than optimal gut, diet and immune system before the occurrence. Note it is also possible to feel completely normal, yet have a weaker than optimal gut and immune system before the finasteride related issues, at least if that is the way you have felt your entire life or the process of decline was so gradual as to be undiscernible.

    Our weaker than optimal gut and immune systems was susceptible to decline and deteriorating health conditions anyway, however that doesn’t mean we would have suffered discernible or deteriorating health in our lifetime. It took the introduction of a potent chemical to completely throw a delicate balance out of whack – for many the crunch point was cessation of the drug – which in itself would have constituted a change in chemical balance. Others suffer at different times dependent on lifestyle, diet and existing health factors.

    My symptom List (no particular order)

    Shrunken balls
    Insomnia / poor unrefreshing sleep
    Anhedonia
    Low or no libido
    Poor or no erections
    Penis curvature to left
    Muscle wasting (particularly back of shoulders, upper/lower arms, wrists and fingers)
    Mild gynecomastia
    Pain/flare ups in gyno lumps
    Cuticle recession
    Low tolerance to stress
    Long refractory period
    Low tolerance to light
    Poor memory
    Poor focus
    Hair thinning (particularly pubic and lower legs)
    Slow wound healing
    Skin ageing (wrinkles forming under eyes)
    Sunken eyes
    Blurring vision / focus
    Bloodshot eyes
    General weakness
    Facial changes, more feminine at times
    Increased susceptibility to colds and sneezing
    Lowered body temperature

    Today

    Today I do not suffer from any of these symptoms and in fact I am healthier than I ever have been. The only thing I have is some lines under eyes, but then I am nearly 30 now (I became ill at 24) and I don’t deem mine to be any worse than friends my age, in fact better because I don't really drink alcohol.

    Recovery

    Nutritionist & Tests

    Gillian Hamer - London
    Comprehensive Parasitology (checks Pathogens)

    Supplements

    Bionutri Ecobalance (inner 2 at breakfast, outer 2 at lunch)
    Bionutri Tyro-plus
    Bionutri Tara-cyn
    Biocare Liquid Vitamin C
    Biocare Liquid Trace Minerals
    Biocare Liquid Multivitamin
    Spatone Iron sachet
    Ionic Zinc
    Viridian Digestive Aid
    VSL3 probiotic or Primal Nutrition Probiotics (spore forming)
    Lugol’s Iodine (occasionally)

    Herbal Tinctures

    Swedish Bitters
    Wormwood
    Clove
    Andrographis

    Diet

    Breakfast = Steamed Vegetables (preferably fresh/home-grown/cruciferous)
    Lunch = Salad + Meat/Fish
    Dinner = Meat/Fish + vegetables
    Intermittent fasting 1 day p.w.
    Cook with coconut oil if required
    Buy high quality pasture/grass-fed and wild fish only
    No fruit (only small handful of berries every few days)
    No nuts
    No nightshade fruits and vegetables (e.g. tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, aubergine)
    No sauces
    No oils – high quality extra virgin olive oil OK occasionally on salads, but don’t overdo
    No dairy
    No carbohydrate foods (e.g. pasta, rice, potato, bread)
    No sugar
    No alcohol
    Only drink spring water
    Herbal Teas: Pau D'Arco, Nettle Leaf
    Treat: Avocado, Kale, Lemon and Spring Water smoothie
    Treat: Hot Water, Lemon, Celtic Sea Salt

    Exercise

    Run 5k x 3 per week
    Hills sprints x 1 per week
    Gym x 1-3 times per week, big movements only (e.g. squats, chest press, overhead press, dips, pull ups, deadlifts, clean, snatch)
    Yoga daily
    Some meditation

    Other lifestyle

    Use perfume and paraben free body and hair wash
    Use fluoride free toothpaste
    Do not use deodorant or spray chemicals on body
    Wake up between 5:30-6am every day - boosts cortisol/adrenal function
    Attach a shower filter to remove chlorine
    Take freezing cold showers only, morning and night (easier after exercise)
    Do not lie down during the day to rest/sleep
    Aim to be asleep by 10:30
    Do not use electronic devices after 8pm (including TV, mobile, laptop)
    Grow your own organic vegetables – to maximise nutrition and remove risk of chemicals
    Spend time outside in the natural light
    Walk in forests and near rivers
    Go swimming in lakes
    Read books about health and nutrition
    Remain positive
    Laugh
    Don’t give up
    Try to see friends as much as possible
    Remove stressors
    Do not visit the internet researching your condition
    Avoid mirrors
    Cut out people that cause you stress

    Final note

    I just want to add that all this stuff wasn’t some wild punt in the dark and wasn’t introduced overnight. It was a 3.5year process of research, listening to my body and learning. However, I firmly believe that full recovery can happen to anyone, irrespective of the severity of symptoms and time suffered, within a few months (possibly weeks) if you can get the balance of things mentioned right. To add weight to this, 6 months before full recovery I was still having massive set-backs and terrible episodes of awfulness. However when you’ve cracked the code it doesn’t matter – everything is in your favour to recover.

    Today, 5 years post crashing I feel brilliant. I can eat carbs and sugar as and when I want, but I try to limit it. I (nobody) feels good eating these shit foods. I ate plenty of cake this Christmas though and that feels good, just it’s not something I want to make a habit of knowing how bad this stuff is. It’s difficult though in our modern society – sugar and carb is prevalent – which is a great threat to health and longevity. Today I try to live a paleo lifestyle, which is in essence what the above recovery list is but with additional things thrown in. It is not so complicated, but you need to believe and stick to it. And by the way the Bionutri supplements are absolutely critical to this – I recall when I ran out on several occasions, my world started to implode again.

    I really hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Chi"

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    Nice. good for him. Some of it does make sense. Parts of it are mentioned in CDs protocol too. Well im still sticking to what im doing, but im happy as hell for him!
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    Anyone know a way to get those BioNutri supplements in the US? Or, if anyone here is from the UK, possibly we could work something out? They look extremely legit.

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    This is absolutely amazing stuff here. I need to be in an environment that promotes healing and not despair. Every time someone post a treatment that works on other forums, someone shoots it down. Hope and support is what those guys need. This recovery plan takes a lot of heart. It's not for everyone and so is full recovery. I'm sure this is the hardest situation any of us had to endure. I wish I would of found this site first and not the countless of horror stories on line. I have to recondition my mind and only focus on the positive. People in both camps recover. Most recoveries are off line and move on with their lives. The one's that recover believe they will, the victims stay in that mind frame and the stress actually keeps their body from healing. It makes sense, you have to believe in the process of recovery and trust. I don't care about exactly how these conditions work to a T, I just want to heal. You guys got it figured out.

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