SOY! Let's talk about it! And soy while having PFS.

[K8668B]

Holy shit! Today i just discovered that my bodyfortress whey protein powder of over 8 years has soy lecithin in it! We all know that soy is basically estrogenic crap and is not good for men, even more so men with PFS.

Well, i never really thought my bodyfortress whey protein powder hurt me TOO BAD, but recently ive noticed my libido is a tiny bit lower than it was a week ago. Not much, but even the tiniest % i can notice. I was eating skippy peanut butter on my gluten free sandwiches for a few days, instead of my regular peter pan brand of peanut butter. Not knowing that it had soy in it. Same with vitamin shoppes omega 3 fish oil. I did these things inadvertently. Im waiting for the soy from the vitamin shoppe brand fish oil and from the skippy peanut butter to leave my system. But in the meantime im stuck with my bodyfortress whey protein powder until friday.

What do you guys think about this? Is soy lecithin bad? Anyone know any cheap WHEY protein powders or protein powders that are completely free of soy, and not too costly? Should i not take this brand of protein powder anymore? My gut instinct is telling me not to take this anymore.

My opinion... we should all just completely cut soy out of the diet.

Man this shit is poison.. its hard as hell to avoid it. It makes me sick and angry that companies are literally out to poison us with everything.

[CannonBalls]

While I agree we should cut soy out of our diets I have continuously used protein powders that contain it, and am still making great progress. When I discovered I had PFS I immediately freaked out and tried to weed out soy and 5 ar inhibitors. I think doing this added to my anxiety and contributed to a delay in my recovery.

I plan on replacing my protein powder with a clean one like CD listed on his website soon.

Yes, we should be aware of what we consume, but also be mindful not to overthink and create more stress for ourselves.

[Maxout777]

While I agree we should cut soy out of our diets I have continuously used protein powders that contain it, and am still making great progress. When I discovered I had PFS I immediately freaked out and tried to weed out soy and 5 ar inhibitors. I think doing this added to my anxiety and contributed to a delay in my recovery.

I plan on replacing my protein powder with a clean one like CD listed on his website soon.

Yes, we should be aware of what we consume, but also be mindful not to overthink and create more stress for ourselves.

This last statement is an absolute certainty. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[K8668B]

I agree with both you. I originally freaked myself out too. Well i went out to some supermarkets and GNC just to check out some protein powders. Basically 80% of protein powders I saw had at least a tiny bit of or some form of soy in them. The majority of your cheaper ones will have soy lecithin in them. The one brand i found that didnt have soy in it was called "QUEST". It was $37.99 for a 2lb bottle at GNC. Which is not too expensive. But the rate i go through protein powder weekly with my high protein diet is unreal. But it gives great results (for me at least. everyones metabolism and protein needs are different).

But you're right, going to try not to sweat the small stuff, because this could prolong ones recovery, worrying about every small little detail like you guys said. If you're still making great progress while still taking your protein powder, then the amount of soy in it is most likely very minuscule.

[K8668B]

Hehe... i DID tell CD that i read his TMO link word for word, which i did, but i sometimes forget stuff. It's alot to remember every tiny little detail. Its moments like these, where they come about, and then you go, "OH YEAH....that's right.." hehe

His website suggests a brand of protein powder called "ONLY". Seems like you can also find it in Target as well.

[CannonBalls]

I love the peanut butter quest powder. I have it every night before bed with Whole Foods peanut butter and almond milk mixed in a bowl.

[K8668B]

I love the peanut butter quest powder. I have it every night before bed with Whole Foods peanut butter and almond milk mixed in a bowl.

I think the quest powder is an even better option than the only brand that CD recommended. Size and cost wise. I eat 6 scoops of protein powder a day, on top of everything else i eat a day. I have a super high protein intake, but its worked so well for me physique wise all these years.

[Snell1234]

I echo the comments here that it isn't worth worrying about. Obviously it is in our best interests to avoid it and to be vigilant to make sure we get supplements without it. But if we have taken it inadvertently, we will do more damage worrying about it than the tiny amount in the supplement could ever do.

I only got affected by soy (prior to pfs) when I had soy milk with my cereal (a heap of the stuff). This destroyed my dick. A tiny amount shouldn't do anything though.

[K8668B]

I echo the comments here that it isn't worth worrying about. Obviously it is in our best interests to avoid it and to be vigilant to make sure we get supplements without it. But if we have taken it inadvertently, we will do more damage worrying about it than the tiny amount in the supplement could ever do.

I only got affected by soy (prior to pfs) when I had soy milk with my cereal (a heap of the stuff). This destroyed my dick. A tiny amount shouldn't do anything though.

Yeah, i read that a few days ago! That garbage soy milk must be super estrogeny if i could have that affect on a person without pfs! That shit is mind blowing when you think about it!

I've been taking obsessive amounts of the body fortress protein powder. and ive now been doing this for almost 4 weeks consistently. i think possibly the use of it over an extended period of time, is building up in my system. i was feeling a slightly higher libido 2 weeks ago.

[Snell1234]

How have the herbs been going for you? Have you been getting any further improvement with them? They are building up my system really well. Slowly, but in a way where one day you realise you are a lot better in a lot of areas.