Swill's dance with IML R-Andro

[Durantia37]

Nevermind, I forgot there was a sticky about this.

[Swill]

For what it's worth, I didn't respond to two different pro hormones initially. A LOT of people do seem to respond first time and much earlier than me though, and the two products I used were different to the R-Andro I had success with. Whether I would have responded first time to R-Andro, who knows. Also, a tonne of people (particularly CD) have had incredible results with the discontinued PP Androhard V3, which it is no longer possible to get as the company folded.

If one DHT based PH doesn't work, my mileage shows another may well do.

[Durantia37]

Thanks for the info man. Much appreciated. I'm sure I'll respond. I respond to everything. My main concern is safety/not going backwards.

The sticky says to rotate herbs for two months before starting. Is this for safety reasons or just to keep you from wasting money on prohormones that won't work? If it's for safety reasons, I'm gonna do another month-long cycle of pp tincture first.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks for the info man. Much appreciated. I'm sure I'll respond. I respond to everything. My main concern is safety/not going backwards.

The sticky says to rotate herbs for two months before starting. Is this for safety reasons or just to keep you from wasting money on prohormones that won't work? If it's for safety reasons, I'm gonna do another month-long cycle of pp tincture first.

Safety is of NO concern (despite what some people may think) when it comes to running these compounds. The absolute last thing I would do is recommend something that is going to send guys backwards. These cycles will move you FORWARDS for a variety of reasons already mentioned in several places. I understand alot of guys are gunshy when it comes to doing anything hormonally, but like everything else with this protocol, you have to have faith.

I recommend two months of herbs cycling prior to a cycle for several reasons:

First, you want to have your natural hormones up and running as high as you can AND have a good base of lifting under your belt.

Second, it's also to make sure you have the consistency of taking something everyday so that running the cycle is like second nature when it comes to taking your doses so you can do it consistently and not miss a dose.

Third, when you have these other things in place, you'll be able to feel the hormones and what they are doing better then had you not been cycling herbs and lifting prior.

When guys start out cycling that haven't been lifting first, they can get into a situation where they can hurt themselves physically. They'll start taking hormones and overdo the lifting because they think that with the cycle, they can push themselves more so then when they are not cycling. While this is true, you still want to have good ground work laid down in the muscles so that this doesn't happen.

Start the cycle. I think you're been running herbs long enough. EVERYONE that does so is very glad that they did. Hopefully they'll chime in here to back up what I'm saying.

After each cycle your baseline will be increased noticeably. THIS is the main reason we cycle. Not to mention it's just an awesome experience. Prior to PFS, I would NEVER had been a guy that even considered using hormones. Now, I can't picture going into the summer season without a good cycle lined up.

[Durantia37]

Thanks for the detailed response! I'll order the goods in a sec. I wouldn't have considered doing these things pre-PFS either, but now that I've gotten a taste of what the herbs can do, I'm excited for the hormones.

So I'll do this for six weeks, then immediately jump back on herbs for PCT. Think I'm all set, but I might end up emailing you a couple questions.

[biatch]

Hello guys,
I am new in this forum and I firstly want to thanks CD for the protocol that I am following diligently and thanks you all guys for the shared experiences.
I did a 6 days water fast 1 month ago and at the moment I am cycling the herbs from 3 weeks and I do feel they are working... I also feel that I need to make a stop for 1 or 2 days after a straight 10 days use cause my testis start soring.

- Said this, I would like to use R-Andro since you all are reporting benefits.
I am however wondering the safetly of using prohormones since this was the cause I am back with the sexual problems from its shut-down, I used ANDROSTENOLONE after I recovered naturally 80% from PFS.
I also read one shut-down experience reported by an user in Propeciahelp, he used EpiAndro RX IML just for 10 days in order to perhaps speed up healing but he did the opposite.

- So, I seriosly would like to try it (after I will be finished with my 2 months routation herbs)... but, are we sure the use of this prohormone is not counter-productive for any of us?
I am just wondering and trying to avoid any other incident in my/our run to recovery.
Thank you

[holyhead]

Hello guys,
I am new in this forum and I firstly want to thanks CD for the protocol that I am following diligently and thanks you all guys for the shared experiences.
I did a 6 days water fast 1 month ago and at the moment I am cycling the herbs from 3 weeks and I do feel they are working... I also feel that I need to make a stop for 1 or 2 days after a straight 10 days use cause my testis start soring.

- Said this, I would like to use R-Andro since you all are reporting benefits.
I am however wondering the safetly of using prohormones since this was the cause I am back with the sexual problems from its shut-down, I used ANDROSTENOLONE after I recovered naturally 80% from PFS.
I also read one shut-down experience reported by an user in Propeciahelp, he used EpiAndro RX IML just for 10 days in order to perhaps speed up healing but he did the opposite.

- So, I seriosly would like to try it (after I will be finished with my 2 months routation herbs)... but, are we sure the use of this prohormone is not counter-productive for any of us?
I am just wondering and trying to avoid any other incident in my/our run to recovery.
Thank you

I did not respond well to it either..As soon as I mixed it in I started having much worse mental symptoms, anxiety etc..

[biatch]

Holyhead, did you have steps back regarding your baseline by using it, or you just had some side effects while on it?

[holyhead]

IDK..It is what it is..Mental anguish increased in last few days on it..I stopped..A lot of my mental stress comes from physical changes and damaged the crash caused..Total change in hair, physical body, weight gain, lack of energy, greying facial, body and scalp hair etc...All this causes distress..Anxiety etc..

[Maxout777]

IDK..It is what it is..Mental anguish increased in last few days on it..I stopped..A lot of my mental stress comes from physical changes and damaged the crash caused..Total change in hair, physical body, weight gain, lack of energy, greying facial, body and scalp hair etc...All this causes distress..Anxiety etc..

But you're also taking clomid and another SARM with it per your posts on other forums. I find it hard to contribute all the experience you had to only the Super R Andro, personally.

I'd drop the other two and try it by itself. Clomid may be "helping you" out now, but it will hurt you in the long run. It'll eventually lose potency as you use it for a long time and you'll have to come off of it and find another patch fix.