IML R-Andro First Taste

[biatch]

So, does it mean that if I do have low cortisol, I do have to pay attention to use R andro causing anxiety?

[Durantia37]

Shit, that's good thinking Maxout. This diet is such a habit now that I forget it's insanely low-carb. Androsterone's effects on the body are evidently similar to T3, so it would make perfect sense that you need more carbs.

[Maxout777]

Shit, that's good thinking Maxout. This diet is such a habit now that I forget it's insanely low-carb. Androsterone's effects on the body are evidently similar to T3, so it would make perfect sense that you need more carbs.

Yeah lol, same here on the habit......it took me a little research to find that out, but it's burning through your glycogen stores as a thyroid mimetic. I would backload with a lot of potatoes, and even organic ice cream with no fillers....it didn't negatively effect me, so your mileage may vary. But yeah, you've got to backload a shit ton the night before when you're doing an R-Andro cycle. I found that out the hard way, similar to you......I didn't want to drop it, but at the same time it was giving me anxiety at times. This corrected all of that once I figured out I had to stay ahead of it's pro-thyroid effects. If I'm correct - your anxiety was probably worse during the day, but better after backloading?

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So, does it mean that if I do have low cortisol, I do have to pay attention to use R andro causing anxiety?

You've just got to keep your body (the best you can) from entering the low cortisol mode caused by androsterone's pro-thyroid effects by doing heavy backloading while on cycle.

[Snell1234]

Very interesting. Thanks maxout. I'll build my body up a bit more with the herbs and then pay attention to this when I give r andro another go.

[Durantia37]

Yesterday was an HIIT day, so no backloading unfortunately..however, the anxiety and jitters carried over into today, and I definitely feel better after eating rice a couple hours ago. I think you hit the nail on the head man. I'm still gonna hold off a little bit and try to learn more about this stuff before making any more mistakes, but thanks a bunch man.

[Swill]

My only advice would be that whilst it is understandable you are concerned about any negative effects, I truly dont believe a pro hormone such as this will do you any 'harm' per se.

If you are feeling like you'd rather get more of a grounding with the herbs for now then by all means stick with them for now, absolutely, but I wouldn't worry too much about getting 'set back' by this kinda compound on the path to healing, if you get me.

My mileage is that I have tried 3 different pro hormones all at different stages of recovery, 2 did nothing for me (but no harm) and most recently the R Andro worked like a charm for me, even with the backloading.

[Snell1234]

How are you going swill? Have you kept all the gains from the pro hormone? And what's your plan now, another run of the r andro in 8 weeks or you think that you won't even need it?

[Swill]

How are you going swill? Have you kept all the gains from the pro hormone? And what's your plan now, another run of the r andro in 8 weeks or you think that you won't even need it?

I'm doing good, I've not kept all the gains and things slipped a little but still better than I am first cycle, I know this is the route forward that works for me now and I am too long in the tooth with this stuff to let a little setback eat me up. I also haven't been helped by the fact I popped a rib out this weekend... had an X-ray today and am in fucking agony, have the worst luck with injuries, but these things normally clear up quite quickly so fingers crossed not too long out from lifting... will just up my cardio in the meantime once the inflammation goes down.

Going to run the R Andro again in about a months time, and will throw in the 4 andro that Maxout used in his last cycle too, as I've heard great things... gonna run the cycle for 12 weeks too, think that will help with re-conditioning my body and lead to more gains sticking around. Absolutely comfortable I'm on the home straight.

[Durantia37]

So I've decided to give this another go, and now I'm on day three of 200mg/day. I took Maxout's advice and added more carbs into my diet - a good deal more. The results have been very good, and I now plan on doing a full cycle with this stuff.

I was wondering whether it's okay to keep taking pine pollen while on cycle. I've been taking 2 tablespoons the last three days. My thinking was that this would boost testosterone while the prohormone was boosting DHT. Then I planned on doing 3 tablespoons, the normal rotation, daily tincture and daily shilajit for PCT. Is this sensible?

I was also wondering if I should expect ball shrinkage? I already have ball shrinkage, so it's going to be hard to tell anyways.

For those curious, the effects so far have been:
-distinct feeling of vascularity in arms and chest.
-distinct improvement in mood.
-mild increase in libido
-distinct energy boost
-mild anxiety if I go a long time without eating eating
-mild increase in overall body size (already, somehow).

[TubZy]

Shit, that's good thinking Maxout. This diet is such a habit now that I forget it's insanely low-carb. Androsterone's effects on the body are evidently similar to T3, so it would make perfect sense that you need more carbs.

You literally need sugar. Eating a paleo/keto type diet is not the best while using any prohormone especially androsterone, it literally does exactly what T3 can do in the body. T3 literally needs glucose to enter the cell, if glucose is not present then your body will cause a stress response (cortisol and adrenaline) androsterone is no different. Lack of glucose will cause cortisol to kick in as it is the "back up" mechanism when glucose is not present furthering the stress response.

It is like stepping on the gas without enough fuel.

Look up "atromid" which is the marketing name for androsterone that was introduced back in the 1960's as a strong cholesterol lowering drug due to how strong it can stimulate metabolism (the way cholesterol should be properly lowered, if very high) exactly the same way T3 does while increasing cellular respiration. Atromid fell out of the spotlight when statins were introduced shortly after unfortunately..which instead deactivate the enzyme in your liver that actually makes cholesterol which cause a host of several negative effects including the same enzyme that synthesizes CoQ10.

High cholesterol is simply just an impaired metabolism, while running on cortisol as fuel and/or impaired liver function, where the conversion of thyroid occurs.

Not to mention all androgens in general increase the conversion of T4 into T3...which would increase metabolism, meaning sugar/carbs should be used especially at the time of dosage.

I know this forum is anti sugar/carbs, but that is how the body works. Your body prefers glucose as its first fuel source for a reason. Same goes for anything that increases metabolism..caffeine..nicotine..aspirin etc. you should be taking it with sugar/carbs, it makes a significant difference. Sugar from fruits should be your first option as your body can utilize it the quickest and most efficient since it contains the minerals and enzymes for proper glucose oxidation followed by starches/potatoes etc. if fruit isn't available...get rid of grains they are useless if you are consuming them, gluten inhibits the conversion of T4 into T3 as well as increasing serotonin in the gut.

I'm not bias at all, I have been a person in deep ketosis for many months, ate low carb for a long time etc. in my past..

This is also coming from a person who used to get anxiety from drinking a cup of coffee to consuming almost a gram of caffeine a day from significantly upping my sugar intake and tolerance with no issues.