New to the game

[Pfsboy]

My basic backstory isn't very unique. I'm 24, took propecia 2.5 - 3 years ago for six weeks and am still suffering the normal sides profile.

Biggest issues for me are: sleep, weight gain, digestion, libido, ED, shrinkage, muscle waste memory, emotional blunting and general cognitive function. I had also had dissociation and depersonalisation problems in my late teens which was very well managed by the time I was 22 and took propecia. This situation caused a major lapse in this department. For that reason it has taken me a long time to get real about facing this problem and to believe I can be well again.

I am certainly ready now.

I started with 1 month gluten free and regular gym with no intoxicants. This was just while I finished my studies. Since then I have started my water fast and began setting myself up for the protocol.

Currently I am on day 8 of my fast and still feel reasonably fine. I think I will just see the 2 weeks out even though I do feel I could go longer.

Once I have broken my fast and taken a few days to slowly reintroduce foods my protocol will be as follows (at least to begin):

-full paleo + some dairy, carb backloading.
-workout + stretch 4 times a week minimum (lift heavy or hiit)
-0 intoxicants (unless caffeine is considered one?)
-herb cycle (for now I only have tribulus, tongkat, pine pollen tinkture and maca root any advice on a good cycle for these 4 would be great otherwise I'm just going to take 1 each morning with 1 day off for a 5 day cycle.)
-get some sun everyday on me and "my boys"
-jelq 4 times a week (not buying penis pump for now)
-meditate 10 mins each morning
-nofap
-try to get max sleep
-cold water showers
-minimise xenoestrogens (I buy a super pure case of water and drink from bpa bottle and my body wash is protocol worthy. Still using normal toothpaste and washing powder though.)

I won't be taking any addicitional suplements or vitamins other that protein at least at first. Maybe something for sleep.

So that's basically it. If anyone sees some glaring hole or just has general advice I'd love to hear it.

Good luck to all of you on the journey. Stay positive

[Ridd]

sounds like you got a good plan of action, stick with it and you'll see progress quickly, I think everything you're doing is in the right direction.

as far as supps go, I'd say go with what you're comfortable with, however, as CD has told me and will tell you, have faith in the protocol. have faith in the full cycle of herbs, they will all help you and he emphasizes them all for a reason. It took me some time to get comfortable adding a bunch of stuff but the benefit is clear.

have faith in what CD has made, it's really the be all end all guide as far as recovering. you've already figured most of this thing out it seems, and I believe this forum is also an important ingredient for recovery; we simply don't have access to a support group who understands us and can help us in the real world. this community can be an invaluable resource and will greatly help your mental/emotional progress if you decide to engage. you may already know that this community is the only PFS community that's centered around positivity and actual progress, unlike the others who dwell in the negatives and, unsurprisingly, have little to show.

Good luck brother.

[Pfsboy]

Thanks for the response. I defiantly am not apposed to doing the exact regiment I just want to build slowly coming out of a fast aswell as for financial reasons.

[Sploicers]

You came to the right place. Seriously, the mindset is everything. Tell yourself you are going to get better, but more importantly believe it.

Ive been on the herb cycle for a week and have already seen gains. I have a ton of herbs but I would model yours off what maxout did... I can find you the passage later (its in his main thread and I have a doctors appointment for a blood test). For sleep, take one a half pills of glycine, magnesium, and ziziphus before bed (zizi is optional). I had really bad sleep problems and glycine and magnesium before bed REALLY helped.

You got 4 good ones going in. I like cordyceps as well.

Also, drink caffeine. That will boost you so much. I never drank coffee really, and I bought a machine just because when im on it, I feel way better.

[K8668B]

Caffeine is not considered an intoxicant towards pfs.

Its actually highly recommended towards PFS. You just gotta be careful with the dosage.

Good luck on your journey! We are all in this together. I've already healed all symptoms except for the sexual! You will heal!

[Swill]

with regards to caffeine, some people have a hard time initially but as the others have said with time and when your body is ready it is helpful, be moderate to it and listen to your body... If it feels ok then go with it.

For sleep, the only thing I have ever used (and find absolutely great) is Natural Calm magnesium, which i mix into water and drink just before bed.

Good luck.

[Pfsboy]

Oook so turns out I ended my water fast today on day 10. It was just getting a bit much to manage while working. I ate some strawberrys a couple of times and then a salad(just lettuce, onion and mushroom) for dinner and a black tea with honey.

Anyway just need a quick tip. Should I start herb rotation tomorrow? Or wait until I have returned full eating in a few days.

Thanks

[Snell1234]

Good start. I saw the herbs you have. Make sure you get the pine pollen powder and have that every day. I personally find the tincture to be really helpful so I take the tincture most days too.

[Swill]

No do not start the herbs yet, gradually re-feed yourself. There is lots of information on google regarding re-introduction of food post-fasting. Just take your time and let your body re-adjust, you dont want to think of exercise or herbs for a couple of weeks yet at least.

Slow and steady wins the race.

[Maxout777]

No do not start the herbs yet, gradually re-feed yourself. There is lots of information on google regarding re-introduction of food post-fasting. Just take your time and let your body re-adjust, you dont want to think of exercise or herbs for a couple of weeks yet at least.

Slow and steady wins the race.

Amen to this. See where you are after two weeks as a baseline after the fast - then introduce the herbs. If you do this, you'll know where you are and how each herb affects you better.