Androsterone conversion pathways - calling tubzy!

[Snell1234]

So I was interested in the conversion of androsterone to dht (obviously is important for us).

I read this explanation from tubzy:

Androsterone Thyroid Surrogate Androgen | Anabolic Apex

The pathway to dht from androsterone is clear.

However, where I am confused is that I have been reading that 1-androsterone does not convert to dht or estrogen, but a form of testosterone.

1-Andro vs. 4-Andro

And then on the other hand we have the r-dhea in super r Andro which does convert to dht but not estrogen.

Tubzy, would you be able to explain the differences here and confirm whether just plain old androsterone does convert to dht?

Also, what implications does this have for the androsterone in pine pollen? Is it of the 1-androsterone form and does not convert to dht, or more like the r-dhea and does convert to dht? Or it converts to dht through other pathways.

[Maxout777]

You do not want to do 1-Andro with PFS. It's known to kill libido and cause lethargy in normal bodybuilders.

[Snell1234]

You do not want to do 1-Andro with PFS. It's known to kill libido and cause lethargy in normal bodybuilders.

Yes agree, that's what I read. I just don't understand the mechanism though how if it is androsterone, it doesn't convert to dht? In the diagram in the first link above, there is only one androsterone, and it eventually converts to dht.

And then following on from that, which type of androsterone is in pine pollen? Does this convert to dht or is it like the 1-androsterone?

[Maxout777]

Yes agree, that's what I read. I just don't understand the mechanism though how if it is androsterone, it doesn't convert to dht? In the diagram in the first link above, there is only one androsterone, and it eventually converts to dht.

And then following on from that, which type of androsterone is in pine pollen? Does this convert to dht or is it like the 1-androsterone?

It's 1-Androsterone/1-DHEA, not just good ole Androsterone. Just like 1-testosterone is a completely different compound than pure ole testosterone. They'll have different conversion pathways because they are completely different compounds.

The compound in pine pollen is pure Androsterone similar to R-Andro, and will convert through the pathway to DHT.

[Snell1234]

It's 1-Androsterone/1-DHEA, not just good ole Androsterone. Just like 1-testosterone is a completely different compound than pure ole testosterone. They'll have different conversion pathways because they are completely different compounds.

The compound in pine pollen is pure Androsterone similar to R-Andro, and will convert through the pathway to DHT.

Thanks, that makes sense. All these terms can get a bit confusing when they all seem so similar to each other.

[K8668B]

That was a good article.

I read about pine pollen still having some traces of androsterone in it, but a very miniscule amount obviously. The article mentioned that the narrator, (or some person, i forget), would take like 9 tbsp daily of pine pollen powder just to feel it. I only take 3 tbsp a day. Would make sense.

[Snell1234]

That was a good article.

I read about pine pollen still having some traces of androsterone in it, but a very miniscule amount obviously. The article mentioned that the narrator, (or some person, i forget), would take like 9 tbsp daily of pine pollen powder just to feel it. I only take 3 tbsp a day. Would make sense.

I think Tubzy wrote it. Did he make a typo saying 9 tablespoons? 9 teaspoons is 10 grams so maybe Tubzy can confirm whether he was taking 9 tablespoons or teaspoons?

[jacknap]

think he was meaning 10 grams. used 10 grams past few days and definitely gave me mad boners.

i still am missing a bit of that brain dick connection but I still get a lot of boners. no fap or porn watching as well. I'd imagine if I was doing no porn watching prepfs for this long though I would just be spontaneously ejaculating lol

[K8668B]

I think Tubzy wrote it. Did he make a typo saying 9 tablespoons? 9 teaspoons is 10 grams so maybe Tubzy can confirm whether he was taking 9 tablespoons or teaspoons?

This is what it said-

"Before I even found out about the benefits of androsterone, a friend (CD} suggested taking some pine pollen for it’s androgenic effects, which he noticed as well. Pine pollen is loaded with a bunch of vitamins and minerals so I had no idea what some of the androgenic effects could be coming from. The androgenic properties were dose dependent for me, I was taking close to 10 grams a day (about 9 tablespoons split into 3). I noticed an increase and libido and overall just a sign of increased DHT and lower estrogen, which I thought was interesting."

Makes sense. I usually only do 3 tablespoons a day. i may feel a slight/mild/minimal increase in libido. If anything, these herbs on rotation and PPP just prevent me from going backwards. But i wouldnt do 9 tablespoons a day just now. Id rather save it for part of a PCT after i use the real androsterone.

[jacknap]

he said 10 grams. 10 grams isn't 9 tablespoons. 1 tablespoon = 14 grams. 10 tablespoons would be 140 grams no? lol

some sorta typo