Androsterone conversion pathways - calling tubzy!

[basementdweller]

You're not going to replicate a cycle of 400 mg a day of pharm grade Androsterone with pine pollen powder and pine pollen tincture. You would be better off with running low dose Androsterone from IdeaLabs (haidut on Ray Peat Forum) if you're hesitant to jump to the high dose R-Andro.

What about micro-dosing R-andro? Would that have the same effect as using androsterone from Idealabs?

[Cdsnuts]

What about micro-dosing R-andro? Would that have the same effect as using androsterone from Idealabs?

Just go for the andro....really.

Just start low if you're so worried about it, but really, there is nothing to be worried about. You can crack the capsules open if you really wanted to and just eye ball it to do a 50mg or 25mg dose. But again, I just think you're splitting hairs here.

Rotate herbs, then do a cycle. If you want to keep the cycle low, mg's wise, then you can, but I don't see the point. Do a 200mg cycle for a week or so and then adjust from there. You're making it more difficult then it has to be.

[The battler]

Just go for the andro....really.

Just start low if you're so worried about it, but really, there is nothing to be worried about. You can crack the capsules open if you really wanted to and just eye ball it to do a 50mg or 25mg dose. But again, I just think you're splitting hairs here.

Rotate herbs, then do a cycle. If you want to keep the cycle low, mg's wise, then you can, but I don't see the point. Do a 200mg cycle for a week or so and then adjust from there. You're making it more difficult then it has to be.

Hey Cd, i have been running the r andro at 400 mg, along with 4 andro at 200 for 2.5 weeks. So far, i have not seen any increase in libido or erection hardness, nor have I experienced great strength increases in the gym. My hair shedding is also not too elevated as many claim on cycle.

This is my first cycle and i have done a juice feast and cycled herbs for 2 months before starting it.
As far as the mental well being is concerned, sure I am doing well on that front.

Therefore, is it a case of me not responding to the drug as many others do?
I am concerned, because many of you here report great experiences with it.
Or should I just increase the dose and wait it out?

[Pageidol]

Ill just mention my brief experience with r-andro i dosed it at 400mg for a month after running test booster rotations for another month. I also didn’t receive libido or erection hardness, for me all that comes with the herbs but its what I believe the pro hormones do behind the scenes that is key...enzyme replenishment. Anyway my experiences were more strength really and a different mood. I dried out alot too on it, its anti-estrogenic. Came off after a month because I beginning to feel ‘wired’ all the time. Looking forward to cycling herbs now over the next 2-3 months. Didn’t experience any suppression though.

I get more from the herbs but with the pro-hormones I believe its what they do behind the scenes systematically thats key even if you dont see much in the way of symptoms improving whilst on it.

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Alot of the guys see the benefits after the cycle plus anything that drives estrogen down will affect libido

[biatch]

Ill just mention my brief experience with r-andro i dosed it at 400mg for a month after running test booster rotations for another month. I also didn’t receive libido or erection hardness, for me all that comes with the herbs but its what I believe the pro hormones do behind the scenes that is key...enzyme replenishment. Anyway my experiences were more strength really and a different mood. I dried out alot too on it, its anti-estrogenic. Came off after a month because I beginning to feel ‘wired’ all the time. Looking forward to cycling herbs now over the next 2-3 months. Didn’t experience any suppression though.

I get more from the herbs but with the pro-hormones I believe its what they do behind the scenes systematically thats key even if you dont see much in the way of symptoms improving whilst on it.

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Alot of the guys see the benefits after the cycle plus anything that drives estrogen down will affect libido

What are the improvements sticked from it?
The dried could be because of the estrogens reduction...did you check them by blood tests?..or have you recovered the dried out after quiting it?
Thanks

[Pageidol]

Yeah already not as dry, too early too say what post use improvement is, only been off 2 days, back on test boosters.

Cant be arsed with blood tests. Just going off the subtle improvements. Blood tests held my recovery back for a cpl of years. Constantly chasing numbers on a peice of paper got me nowhere!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey Cd, i have been running the r andro at 400 mg, along with 4 andro at 200 for 2.5 weeks. So far, i have not seen any increase in libido or erection hardness, nor have I experienced great strength increases in the gym. My hair shedding is also not too elevated as many claim on cycle.

This is my first cycle and i have done a juice feast and cycled herbs for 2 months before starting it.
As far as the mental well being is concerned, sure I am doing well on that front.

Therefore, is it a case of me not responding to the drug as many others do?
I am concerned, because many of you here report great experiences with it.
Or should I just increase the dose and wait it out?

When it comes to the first cycle or two, I never recommend stacking like you're doing. You want to save that for future cycles, as it's not necessary and is more of an "extra" then the DHT is.

I recommend dropping the 4 andro and running the rest of the cycle out with just the R andro so you can see what you're dealing with and how your body is responding, or not responding. As mentioned by Pageidol, even if you're not feeling the cycle, you're benefiting from what it's doing behind the scenes in your system. I know several guys that didn't' "feel" the cycle until their third or fourth one. You're just not one of the lucky ones that gets to feel the fun stuff out of the gate.

[K8668B]

Hey Cd, i have been running the r andro at 400 mg, along with 4 andro at 200 for 2.5 weeks. So far, i have not seen any increase in libido or erection hardness, nor have I experienced great strength increases in the gym. My hair shedding is also not too elevated as many claim on cycle.

This is my first cycle and i have done a juice feast and cycled herbs for 2 months before starting it.
As far as the mental well being is concerned, sure I am doing well on that front.

Therefore, is it a case of me not responding to the drug as many others do?
I am concerned, because many of you here report great experiences with it.
Or should I just increase the dose and wait it out?

Dont feel bad battler. I was one of those guys too. Just keep pushing. i still finished my 6 week cycle when i did it too.