Ok, so he may have played around with MACA. But this was not a cyclic or regular type of usage, just some experimentation. And that may or may not have contributed to his recovery, perhaps it did. I can tell you that MACA was helpful for me in the early stages. However, if you read his posts carefully on propeciahelp you will see that he himself urges others to forgo things like herbs and hormones, to include even supplemental vitamins. I can pull that excerpt out and paste it right here so you can see with your own eyes. You have missed the point I was trying to make, entirely. I am not dismissing herbs as supplements for recovery. In fact, I have benefited from them quite a bit and will continue to use certain herbs that I feel are helpful. The point is that people have recovered using anywhere from just a one or two herbs to several, and I can even recall some that used none and just had time on their side. There is no magic number. It may be a case-by-case basis, it depends on the individual's severity. You have to experiment on yourself in order to determine which herbs or supplements are helpful and which are not and then use them accordingly (rotations, etc...) This is not disinformation, it's good advice. I will not be goaded into taking 21 herbs just because someone else thinks this is the only and proper way to recover. I will listen to my own body and make my own determinations. Thank you.

Update: Day 4 on Androhard (200-300mgs)
Very slight, dull headache. Feel less tired. Body looks more lean, less bloat. Some weight loss. Sleep more refreshing.


Quote Originally Posted by Hulk Smash View Post
Bizzbee,

I have to correct you on one thing.
Chi DID take at least one herb during his recovery; MACA. If he cycled on and off or took others is unknown.

Unfortunately Chi mentioned this in one forum only once that I remember.
And then left out mentioning MACA when posting in another forum.

I KNOW this because I WASTED TIME researching and further crashed because of all the
inconsistent info out there. I don't know if you must cycle a thousand herbs but I know many
took them to recover, and the herbs listed here are only beneficial to us.

I know you need herbs to COMPLETELY push the tied in the right direction.
If not then many would have never crashed.
I was going to the gym and pretty healthy overall....but I still crashed.

Please bizzbee go back and read all of Chi's posts he ever made.
I found it in that older forum which I won't name because most of it is a rabit hole of S *&! imo.
Hopefully his complete recovery log wasn't deleted, if it was then the herb info is lost.
That was about 30 pages of reading and only finding a few mentions of herbs he took if I'm correct.

Some good things in that forum but too much arguing/theories/methods and little recovery going on there.

I just had to jump in here and call this out because there are many men in the struggle right now
or who just crashed and this kind of post you just made doesn't help.
It's things like this that kept me in the dark longer than I should've been
and all the while I was crashing more each day.

To all the new guys looking for answers or still doubtful about herbs and if this is really the path to recovery,
go read my posts here in SS. I have a link there about the science behind herbs.
The herbs work together with the rest of the protocol to bring full recovery.

Bizzbee you're kind of standing in your own way imo. I hope you recover soon and stop posting dis-info here.