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    Quote Originally Posted by Bankai9000 View Post
    I wouldn't neccessary rush things, when I think back I'm always glad I did it but same time it was often too early or I was way too stressed(mentally aswell) and waiting a bit would've been better. Especially my first fast LOL.
    From my youtube studies(lel) it seems that it's good to get into ketosis prior a fast. If someone is in good ketosis it seems to take like 3 days to get most benefits out of a fast(when we solely look on autophagy), and if not it seems to be 6/7days. Altough prolonged fasts probably work on tons of levels which we don't get.
    I'm not a fan of the keto diet since fk I love carbs and I think it's way harder to do than people want to admit, since it's still a moderate protein diet and probably not a optimal one. But cutting carbs for 2-3days out completely before fasting might help to 1) make the transition way easier, and 2) get benefits earlier and make every day we keep going more worthwhile. Since otherwise you're kinda just starving for 3-4days, and starving doesn't really have many benefits and puts huge stress on the body. I think ideal would be to feel better and better past 3 days with maybe some detox downtimes here and there. The fast is not a torture^^, just make very sure u don't fall of the wagon after the fast during refeed, this can set you back for months I think
    My dikk etc didnt start working till like 2-3weeks after I stopped the fast if I remember right btw, there were no immediate effects to that.

    I'm not sur what bile acids/salts? are, I'm pretty sure the ones I mentioned earlier with anything that helps to digest is probably good.
    And I didn't recommend probiotics, maybe you mean prebiotics like sauerkraut starchy foods etc^^, those combined with minor probiotics ar probably good. But still this is different for everybody, pretty sure I had SiBo/Leaky gut early, probiotics would be very bad then.

    And pls this is all just my opinion here, your decision what you do. J
    Following CDsnuts protocol is probably the easiest and safest way which covers with the herbs probably everything, and from what I know he isn't a fan of repeated fasting.

    and I wouldn't take random supps without reading well into possible side effects of pfs ppl
    Yeah ideally it's great to reduce carbs before fasting or even just eating strictly fruits and vegs in the lead up like a vegan for a few days beforehand . Thats the ideal scenario, but I don't have much choice but to jump in the fast even though I'm not ideally prepped for it.

    Working out feels like i've reached plateau where I've over trained as no strength increase, no pump and wasting time adding more stress. Even if you are fit and healthy you have to take rests from training. food isn't tasting great either, supps are not doing much, like I'm throwing money down the drain because, my body feels beaten up and can't process them which leads me to think my liver and gut needs a break to release all the shit. I had a dream last night of fasting and I feel thats what my body angling for me to do and ready for whatever turbulence. Mentally I feel good and positive about it.

    I know it's not completely torture. There are peaks where you have great clarity and energy but then there are inevitable times you are bed ridden, then comes on the horrible metalic taste that arises in the mouth along with big nausea that you almost pass out. I'm an experienced faster done many short and weekly fasts so know what is coming, but in the end they always make me feel brand new

    The bile acid I was talking about jarrow bile acid factors similar to ox bile, which is meant to help with fat adsorption

    Regardless just going to stop all supps for 2 wees, let the water heal the body for a 5-7 days and then go on to the juice fast for another 5-7 days and should be recharged and fresh for the full recovery battle

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    So guys I'm slowly coming back to normal but not completely. The depersonalisation has subsided, I'm feeling more emotion and engaged with things, I feel tinges of libido and no problems getting an erection and had sex today and had no trouble performing. I've not had the chance to fast yet because I'm going though missions to get these bloods down and there have been delays and obstacles because in this country it's a tall order to get a full hormone panel unless money isn't an option and you're willing to pay nearly £300 for 6 basic biomarkers through some overpriced wellness clinic.

    Other than that my body feels half dead, half alive at this point lol

    Strangely found my dick when flaccid is now bigger not that it;s not big enough already and erections are very stiff but doesn't feel natural, as if I'm in control of it.

    Still having problems with slight swerve which is hardly noticeable but this has an effect on ejaculation, seems to obstruct it and semen is watery which is annoying and unusual and something I will now have to work on

    If my libido fired back up completely I'd say I was healed because I don't have any problems with cognition anymore, memory and processing information speed is better than ever, confidence is back

    Strength is still lagging, finding it difficult to lift things still, get out of breath doing any workouts. Like 10 mins of lifting heavy and I'm gasping for air which isn't like me and at times feel like a 70 year old when lunging stuff around

    What's pissing me off right now at this exact minute is how hard and slow it is get to bloods here in this country. I've done two tests, one with pcp and one private with the finger prick bs( don't waste your time with this service, unless you can bleed a river through the side of your fingertips and have hours free to mess around with lancets . The private one failed because they say some of the blood sample was clotted from too much pressure applied. It's nearly impossible to draw blood enough blood from your fingertips to fill the tube they provide unless you squeeze really hard, as they only give you 3 lancets try draw blood from 3 fingers

    My pcp actually have my results and informed me that I'm borderline low in a few areas for my testosterone test( which I know they will try and tell is fine) but don't say specifics biomarkers, and that I need to speak or see the dr 1st so he can explain the results as if I don't know how to read medical numbers. So I say ok get him to call since you don't have any appointments this week. I then wait for him to get in touch as promised and then he doesn't! Big mistake

    My blood literally starts boiling with rage(which is a good sign I'm coming back to myself) and I'm at the point now where I want to see this guy in person, and let loose, because my health is on the line here and patience isn't one of my virtues, and I can't understand how he can't be bothered to at least pick up the phone and tell me what my results are. I could be worried I have a pituitary tumour in my brain or something for all this guy knows. So I'm going in tomorrow in person to demand a copy of my results and I'm not leaving the office until they produce because really this is stone age bullshit.

    Now I will have to do more tests because these cunts don't test for ostradial, so they tell me argghhhh.

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    Congrats on the progress! Keep us updated on the results once you're able to get them. 👍

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    Finally got hold of my bloods yesterday and it's so fucking pointless they were meant to do a full hormone panel, but only tested total testosterone for the sex hormones, which is surprisingly at 850ng/nl and that was after days leading up to it where I was drinking and eating shit

    have no idea of my LH and FH is which is what i requested, no idea of SHGB or estrogen levels. These doctors in knowing what to test for are an extreme joke here. Absolutely useless. Maybe I have to get my test levels into the 1000's to feel it flowing through my body as I once did but no closer to knowing what is going on with the other hormones.

    The best they say on the test results, is that that my cholestorol and serum triglyerides is too low which I didn't even know was a thing. What that tells me is my body, liver isn't converting fats, because for ever how long I've been mostly consuming a high protein high fat diet. So need to continue taking the bile supps

    Thyroid, electrolytes, liver function, ferritin, creatine,cortisol and haemoglobin are all in perfect ranges

    I'm going to have to request tests for Free testosterone, DHT(drs don't even know about this androgen when I requested before), dhea, progesterone,estrogen, LH, FSH and SHBG. Going to do a hair and stool gut test too to see if there are any major parasites floating around. All of this is costly, but I need to get to the bottom of this shit and find out what is suppressing me

    Over than that feeling very good mentally, very confident but I want my libido high and I'd be grand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post

    Thyroid, electrolytes, liver function, ferritin, creatine,cortisol and haemoglobin are all in perfect ranges
    This is what's important. Hormones won't tell you anything anyway, at best they are off and then will make you freak out more. You're not going on TRT anyway, so there's no point in focusing on hormones.
    Your liver/kidneys and body is working right, this is what you need to take care of and focus on^^
    I'm repeating myself but the mind is huge when it comes to healing. So when you feel confident enjoy the shit out of it man and stay positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bankai9000 View Post
    This is what's important. Hormones won't tell you anything anyway, at best they are off and then will make you freak out more. You're not going on TRT anyway, so there's no point in focusing on hormones.
    Your liver/kidneys and body is working right, this is what you need to take care of and focus on^^
    I'm repeating myself but the mind is huge when it comes to healing. So when you feel confident enjoy the shit out of it man and stay positive
    Yes definitely don't need TRT which is good, wouldn't get it with those number. but definitely would like to know how much free bio available testosterone or if SHGB or estrogen is too low, but yeah the herbs should definitely do the trick to raise them back up into balance. My fear was that my t was going to be so low in the 300s considering how ive been feeling and if it was then I would of had to consider trt as a possible option. Actually had a brief stint with trt when I 1st ever crashed and my numbers were in the 400s back then but couldn't continue with it because I had to go private and wasn't working to keep up the costs.

    If something is off with one of the sex binding hormones, it won't freak me out it would be motivating and go a long way to understanding what's going on with my body, I'm still getting low watery semen and still hard to reach orgasm all of sudden along with low libido.

    But yeah I am positive and hopeful. My goal now is to get my t level into 1000's naturally

    Hope you're still doing well

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    I think the andro did both good and bad to my system. I'm now permanently super confident, mind is now sharp and erections are now consistently stronger yet the price is that I'm no longer able to easily climax during sex and now overly aggressive

    Positives

    - Erections are rock hard now consistently, they are locking during sex as if I've taken viagra or cialis doesn't matter if I've not nofaped for a few days or not, they are always come back strong and ready

    - Can last now up to 20-30 mins if need be during sex and aggression is crazy.

    - Supreme confidence has returned and nothing phases me. Things get done now without any procrastination, or rumination of something going wrong which would cause anxiety.

    Mind is sharp, focused and brain fog is gone for good, not even if I eat junk my mind doesn't suddenly go foggy now. Don't know if this is good yet because still feel blunted emotions, but welcoming the confidence and clear mind

    Energy and aggression is back

    Negatives

    Still lacking sensitivity downstairs

    Still lacking sensitive emotions, feel like the terminator at times, which makes me afraid of serious long term relationships, I just don't seem to care about feelings, I hope to get that back one day since I use to be very sensitive and quite emotional. Now I have to intellectually connect with others on an emotional level and come off very detached but nothing like how I was last week with the depersonalisation.

    If I have more than one sex session during the day, suffer with delayed ejaculation which never has been a problem.

    Solutions

    Get back to eating clean - last 2 weeks been in a panic trying to find out what's been going on

    Get back in the gym

    Get back on nofap

    Stop overthinking everything and go with the flow and let the body and mind heal itself rather than micro anaylsing and attempting to micromanage every symptom

    Honestly my main problem right is now is I think I just need to take a break from thinking about sex which I'm pretty much obsessed with. I'm going on a break, monk mode no sex and no fap for at least 3-6 months because I eventually want to get into a serious relationship, sleeping around with different girls gets boring and feels empty after a while and I've done it for long enough now, which has probably added towards the emotional and numbness

    If I still don't feel the sensitive emotions after that I will run a microdose psilocybin to reset my brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    I think the andro did both good and bad to my system. I'm now permanently super confident, mind is now sharp and erections are now consistently stronger yet the price is that I'm no longer able to easily climax during sex and now overly aggressive

    Positives

    - Erections are rock hard now consistently, they are locking during sex as if I've taken viagra or cialis doesn't matter if I've not nofaped for a few days or not, they are always come back strong and ready

    - Can last now up to 20-30 mins if need be during sex and aggression is crazy.

    - Supreme confidence has returned and nothing phases me. Things get done now without any procrastination, or rumination of something going wrong which would cause anxiety.

    Mind is sharp, focused and brain fog is gone for good, not even if I eat junk my mind doesn't suddenly go foggy now. Don't know if this is good yet because still feel blunted emotions, but welcoming the confidence and clear mind

    Energy and aggression is back

    Negatives

    Still lacking sensitivity downstairs

    Still lacking sensitive emotions, feel like the terminator at times, which makes me afraid of serious long term relationships, I just don't seem to care about feelings, I hope to get that back one day since I use to be very sensitive and quite emotional. Now I have to intellectually connect with others on an emotional level and come off very detached but nothing like how I was last week with the depersonalisation.

    If I have more than one sex session during the day, suffer with delayed ejaculation which never has been a problem.

    Solutions

    Get back to eating clean - last 2 weeks been in a panic trying to find out what's been going on

    Get back in the gym

    Get back on nofap

    Stop overthinking everything and go with the flow and let the body and mind heal itself rather than micro anaylsing and attempting to micromanage every symptom

    Honestly my main problem right is now is I think I just need to take a break from thinking about sex which I'm pretty much obsessed with. I'm going on a break, monk mode no sex and no fap for at least 3-6 months because I eventually want to get into a serious relationship, sleeping around with different girls gets boring and feels empty after a while and I've done it for long enough now, which has probably added towards the emotional and numbness

    If I still don't feel the sensitive emotions after that I will run a microdose psilocybin to reset my brain.
    Your progress is amazing and inspiring, Alchemy. Keep going! 🙏

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    Fuck the tests. They are causing you undue stress that you don't need and they don't do shit for you anyway. Regardless, you're going to stay on the protocol until you are where you want to be. That's how it works. It will all work itself out in the end should you keep on the plan. That's it. That's all you have to do.

    Keep it up man. You're moving along nicely.
    Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Fuck the tests. They are causing you undue stress that you don't need and they don't do shit for you anyway. Regardless, you're going to stay on the protocol until you are where you want to be. That's how it works. It will all work itself out in the end should you keep on the plan. That's it. That's all you have to do.

    Keep it up man. You're moving along nicely.
    lol that's funny because those are the exact words I said out loud to myself the other night after realising how much good progress has been made. I mean the tests on my liver, electrolytes, liver etc show pretty much confirm I'm on an upward trejectory

    I use to have hand tremors, got that gone

    Use to struggle to complete sentences and lose train of thought, that's gone.

    Voice use to be weak now it's strong and stable

    Use to have average testosterone numbers, it's now pretty decent

    Use to worry about losing erection during sex, that's gone.

    Use to dread the next day and waking up in the morning, now I look forward to it

    So now I'm just practising gratitude and patience, that's what the crash taught me and to just stick to the proctocol like you said and not over complicate and over think things.

    Now back on the grind in the trenches and had a very good work out yesterday and made strength gains on squats. I think I needed that 2 week break from training as I remember my last session I was so not motivated, my muscles were spasming and saw some 16 year old kids working out and they were looking more stronger lol

    But yesterday I couldn't get enough of it, but kept it short, heavy and sweet.

    Didn't sleep the other night, run out of glycrine, but decided now to use insomnia to my advantage and using that time to just do deep breathing and meditating on the breath, and ignore thoughts of personality,,situation, time and environment.

    It's amazing how much creative insights you get during the night meditating


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeP26 View Post
    Your progress is amazing and inspiring, Alchemy. Keep going! ��
    Thank you Joe, it's nice to know it is encouraging for others, we all will hopefully recover and be inspiring to others in our personal lives.

    Love all you guys and everyone fighting this battle
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