Calorie surplus vital for recovery?

[Holistic]

I think a mild calorie surplus yes. As caloric defecit I think is very harsh for androgens and more for aesthetics. I rocked 8% bf for 5+ years but I put on a bit more mass 10-12% to give me adrenals a rest. (I maintaned my lean look with 330mg+ of caffeine daily to blunt my appetite.)

Jack what do you mean? what is the relation between bf, mass and the adrenals?

[jacknap]

Jack what do you mean? what is the relation between bf, mass and the adrenals?

the golden ratio for males i think is 10-12% lower than 10 and it's taxing on adrenals because it's hard to maintain without stims. Too high and you're increasing aromatase which increases estrogen.

[Cdsnuts]

the golden ratio for males i think is 10-12% lower than 10 and it's taxing on adrenals because it's hard to maintain without stims. Too high and you're increasing aromatase which increases estrogen.

Yeah...keeping body fat below 10% is pretty un-natural in general. The guys you see on the front of Mens fitness magazines work up to that physique weeks leading up to the shoot only. After that, they put it back on. You have to think, you're actually fighting nature in this regards.