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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Let's just say that I'm glad to be fucking bald.....
    I'm sure it's a much better place to be, psychologically. But I have too much hair to just start going cue-tip.

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    I had testicle pain, shrunken genitals and impotence for 5 days after using nizoral. This was before i crashed. I used it 3 times. Stuff was awful.

    More ancedotal reports here

    Nizoral Killed my Sex Drive, Would Procepia and Dutasteride as well? - Page 3 - BaldTruthTalk.com

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    Nizoral isn't even a 5ari. It's got a weak affinity to the androgen receptor. The same stuff is in jock itch cream..

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    Yeah buts its active ingredient is ketoconazole...a potent anti-androgen is it not?

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    i used nizoral for like a year before I crashed. I did notice like maybe a 10% hit to my libido after I showered and used it and that's a big maybe.

    kratom though for sure I had huge libido hits and then I would have crazy rebounds.
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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    Kratom is for all intent and purposes and opiate/opiate like substance. You'll find that heroin addicts in the midst of hardcore withdrawal will be sweating, sick and jerking it furiously five times a day cause their brain is crying out for a dopamine hit.

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    Pageidol, it's not as simple as "anti-androgen" or "anti-estrogen". Keto binds the androgen receptor and then has little to no androgenic effects, its like breaking the key off in a lock so you can't turn it, eventually it unbinds just like dht would and the receptor is free again. All of this happens locally.

    Finasteride permanently binds to an enzyme rather than a receptor and damages a whole chain of processes systematically.

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    Yeah i see mate, 2 different modes of actions. I mean when i used it it was roughly 5 weeks after saw palmetto use so perhaps it was a mini sp crash and the timing was just coincidental.

    So you still cycle 7 herbs mate, did you initially do 21 days through your recovery or just 7?

    Just curious really mate. Your a brit like me haha, Blackpool mate

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    Sussex now mate but I did a few other places before then.

    Man I'm gonna be honest I take a lot of supplements and a bit of a chemical kid as it is so ima give you a list

    I don't use anything at the weekend unless I'm with ze female and then I might take 2-3 herbs together and a small dose of cialis for shits and giggles as were long distance and well you've seen my sig mate.

    Greens powder with spirulina and chlorella in the morning.
    Mixed toco vit E
    8000iu vit D
    Like 4 grams of vitamin c a day but its cols season and I work in a hospital.
    Garlic
    3mg boron
    Alternate B12 lozenge + folate and a full spectrum B12 supplements.
    4-5 grams of fish oil (I wanna switch to krill but its expensive) + my herb schedule

    He shou Wu
    Ashwaghanda
    Liftmode tribulus
    Dopa Macuna
    Tong kat Ali

    At night I take zinc and magnesium and sometimes a little melatonin.

    This particular routine has changed many times in the past four or so years though bud and I'm always interested in trying new things.

    I've been known to experiment with other things too. I enjoy my prohormones and eventually I'll probably juice for realsies and have no qualms using peptides. Ipamorelin + mod grf are great and will be used again.

    I'm gonna be giving low dose naltraxone a try in the near future too lol

    And before the naysayers come along I dropped everything for weeks a few times a year short of Vit D and E and my dick hasn't fallen off once. I'm recovered.

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    yeah even before I crashed I was always big on supplements and experimenting with diets etc. cuz I was into optimization. that's why I crashed from an obscure hair loss chemical in the first place lol
    From rock bottom to rockstar, baby.

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